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Dubois trade I WOULD make

Created by: TCMonkey
Initial Creation Date: Jan 19, 2021
Published: Jan 19 at 6:27
Team: 2020-21 Ottawa Senators
Team Explanation
We all know Dubois wants to play in a bigger market than Columbus, which Ottawa is not. Columbus isn't looking for a bunch of picks, they want players that can contribute now. Tierney and Dadonov will combine for 80+ points a season and are signed for multiple years at a decent price. The two 2nd rounders are a nice addition AND my reluctance to offer MORE than this is strictly because I have doubts Dubois would ever sign a long term deal to remain in Ottawa.
EDIT:
Willing to bet MOST CBJ fans will say it's not enough and some OTT homers will say it's too much, but my point is OTT, another small market team that Dubois will likely want out of before his next contract, should NOT be offering much more than this. Of course I'm also willing to part with Logan Brown and Brannstrom but CBJ claims to want NHL ready players in return.
Trades
OTT
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc
CBJ
  1. Dadonov, Evgeni
  2. Tierney, Chris
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (OTT)
  4. 2022 2nd round pick (TBL)
Buyouts
  • Bobby Ryan: $3,583,333
  • Dion Phaneuf: $1,354,167
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
OTT
SJS
OTT
OTT
OTT
2022
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
2023
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$67,879,999$0$5,952,500$13,620,001

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
OTT
Tkachuk, Brady
$925,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
OTT
Norris, Joshua
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
OTT
Batherson, Drake
$736,666
C, RW
RFA - 1
OTT
Stützle, Tim
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 3
CBJ
Dubois, Pierre-Luc
$5,000,000
C
RFA - 2
OTT
Brown, Connor
$3,600,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
OTT
Paul, Nicholas
$1,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
OTT
Stepan, Derek
$6,500,000
C
UFA - 1
OTT
White, Colin
$4,750,000
RW, C
UFA - 5
OTT
Paquette, Cédric
$1,650,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
OTT
Anisimov, Artem
$4,550,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
OTT
Watson, Austin
$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
OTT
Chabot, Thomas
$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 8
OTT
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 4
OTT
Murray, Matt
$6,250,000
G
UFA - 4
OTT
Wolanin, Christian
$900,000
LD
RFA - 1
OTT
Gudbranson, Erik
$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
OTT
Högberg, Marcus
$700,000
G
RFA - 1
OTT
Coburn, Braydon
$1,700,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
OTT
Brown, Joshua
$1,200,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
OTT
Abramov, Vitaly
$730,833
LW
RFA - 1
OTT
Reilly, Mike
$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 1
OTT
Galchenyuk, Alex
$1,050,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
OTT
Zub, Artem
$925,000 ($0)
RD
RFA - 1
OTT
Aspirot, Jonathan
$768,333 ($0)
LD
RFA - 3
OTT
Daccord, Joey
$750,000 ($0)
G
RFA - 3
OTT
Chlapik, Filip
$735,000 ($0)
C
UFA - 1
OTT
Haley, Micheal
$700,000 ($0)
C
UFA - 1
OTT
Peca, Matthew
$700,000 ($0)
LW, C
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Tkachuk, B.
Dubois, P.
Stützle, T.
Chabot, T.
Batherson, D.
Power Play 2
Norris, J.
Stepan, D.
Paul, N.
Wolanin, C.
White, C.
Penalty Kill 1
Paquette, C.
Brown, C.
Coburn, B.
Brown, J.
Penalty Kill 2
Paul, N.
Watson, A.
Chabot, T.
Zaitsev, N.

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Jan 19 at 6:36
#1
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There is no way CBJ would do that
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Jan 19 at 6:39
#2
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Dude don’t want to come off as rude but honestly, let me put it this way. If your trading tkachuk, would you be happy with Atkinson, Riley Nash and 2 seconds. ?
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Jan 19 at 6:46
#3
Lenny7
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I mean, Columbus had the cap space to go after Dadonov this past offseason for nothing except money. If someone says this is "Too much", they need their head examined.
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Jan 19 at 6:47
#4
Wheel snipe celly
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Thats a no
Jan 19 at 6:57
#5
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This would be like trading a crisp 1 dollar bill for a quarter, a dime and 2 rusty nickels.
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Jan 19 at 6:58
#6
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Even Ottawa wouldn't do that.

Sign a guy in free agency then trade him 2 games into that contract? That would sink any chances they ever have of signing any big name free agent ever again. That's worse than Vegas' dumb 2 year rule.
Jan 19 at 7:11
#7
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I like the mindset not wanting to unload the cupboards for one guy. I think this is a solid starting offer if it doesn’t gain any traction to further talks so be it walk away.
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Jan 19 at 7:13
#8
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Hockey 1st Sens 2nd
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Quoting: Edmund0
Dude don’t want to come off as rude but honestly, let me put it this way. If your trading tkachuk, would you be happy with Atkinson, Riley Nash and 2 seconds. ?


That's not rude, it's a fair statement. And you're right, only a crazy homer would suggest it was too much; I should've made that clearer. But, as an Ottawa fan, I'm well aware when a player demands to be traded, and makes it clear they want to end up in a bigger market, you lose a lot of your power in negotiating. The longer you wait for the perfect deal, the worse things get in the room. If CBJ come out of the back-to-backs with Tampa and Floria 0-4... they'll need to rethink the asking price or sacrifice the season. Also, I made it clear why OTTAWA shouldn't pay more. If I were the Rangers or Montreal or LA, a market Dubois would consider signing long term in, different story.
Jan 19 at 9:17
#9
cbjthrowaway
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Quoting: TCMonkey
That's not rude, it's a fair statement. And you're right, only a crazy homer would suggest it was too much; I should've made that clearer. But, as an Ottawa fan, I'm well aware when a player demands to be traded, and makes it clear they want to end up in a bigger market, you lose a lot of your power in negotiating.


In PLD's case though, that doesn't drive his price down. The Jackets have gotten calls from 20+ teams already. The only markets that would be considered 'smaller stages' than Columbus would be like Arizona, Florida and maybe Carolina, right? And "smaller" might not even be the right word. What he wants is a market that will treat him like a rock star.

Artemi Panarin's trade value went way down when he was about to leave Columbus because he was about to hit free agency and wouldn't sign an extension anywhere. Dubois has two years left on his current contract (under market value, too) and then two RFA years on top of that. Montreal can try to lowball based on being his apparent preferred destination, but Jarmo is in no rush to move him there for pennies on the dollar. There will be a bidding war, and I think the team that wins will be someone like LA or NYR.
Jan 19 at 9:22
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Quoting: cbjthrowaway
In PLD's case though, that doesn't drive his price down. The Jackets have gotten calls from 20+ teams already. The only markets that would be considered 'smaller stages' than Columbus would be like Arizona, Florida and maybe Carolina, right? And "smaller" might not even be the right word. What he wants is a market that will treat him like a rock star.

Artemi Panarin's trade value went way down when he was about to leave Columbus because he was about to hit free agency and wouldn't sign an extension anywhere. Dubois has two years left on his current contract (under market value, too) and then two RFA years on top of that. Montreal can try to lowball based on being his apparent preferred destination, but Jarmo is in no rush to move him there for pennies on the dollar. There will be a bidding war, and I think the team that wins will be someone like LA or NYR.


It's going to be interesting to watch, but I still believe the longer it drags out the less likely CBJ fans are happy with the outcome. Especially if the loses start piling up.
Jan 19 at 9:31
#11
cbjthrowaway
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Quoting: TCMonkey
It's going to be interesting to watch, but I still believe the longer it drags out the less likely CBJ fans are happy with the outcome. Especially if the loses start piling up.


On the contrary -- if it drags out to the draft, PLD will be eligible to sign an extension but won't be prone to an offer sheet, so they could move him with an extension in place and drive up his value even more, plus Canadian teams would be more willing to jump in because they wouldn't have to worry about a 14-day quarantine.

If anything, his current suitors (non-Canadian ones, at least) should be pushing to get a deal done as soon as possible so it doesn't get to that point. Which would mean bumping up the quality of what they're offering. Which would be in CBJ's best interest short-term too, because it gets rid of a huge locker room distraction.
Jan 19 at 1:58
#12
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Quoting: cbjthrowaway
On the contrary -- if it drags out to the draft, PLD will be eligible to sign an extension but won't be prone to an offer sheet, so they could move him with an extension in place and drive up his value even more, plus Canadian teams would be more willing to jump in because they wouldn't have to worry about a 14-day quarantine.

I disagree, but hopefully we won't need to wait too long to find out.
 
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