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Campbell is described as being out 'weeks'. The vagueness in that statement bothers me. Are we talking 3-ish weeks? 5+?

How long does he have to be out for you to think that Dubas should be looking to acquire another option in goal? And who, if anyone, do you think he should try for if Campbell is in fact out long term? The quarantine period is a big factor with this whole situation.

Just put Miller as he was the first option that came up.
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Jan. 26, 2021 at 2:58 p.m.
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The real issue is acquiring someone is "weeks" away as well with isolation protocol.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:00 p.m.
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The real issue is acquiring someone is "weeks" away as well with isolation protocol.


I know, I mentioned that in the description. So if Dubas waits, and Freddie happens to get hurt...

I bet he's already at least making a list of potential guys depending on how long they know Campbell to be out for.
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Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:06 p.m.
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How can the Kings get Lily? We can part with Carter, Iafallo, and AA all retained. All of which are doing very good right now. We can even add a RD prospect with NHL top 4 potential in Jordan Spence
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:09 p.m.
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I know, I mentioned that in the description. So if Dubas waits, and Freddie happens to get hurt...

I bet he's already at least making a list of potential guys depending on how long they know Campbell to be out for.


The real issue is that the goaltender market is bare. Can't see many teams willing to ante up a reliable backup without paying a hefty cost.

The best option imo, Raanta, doesn't come close to fitting under the Leafs cap, and upon Campbell's return, creates another issue altogether really.

In short.... the best option is Hutch. It isn't great, but it is what it is.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:13 p.m.
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The real issue is that the goaltender market is bare. Can't see many teams willing to ante up a reliable backup without paying a hefty cost.

The best option imo, Raanta, doesn't come close to fitting under the Leafs cap, and upon Campbell's return, creates another issue altogether really.

In short.... the best option is Hutch. It isn't great, but it is what it is.


The might give Woll a start to see how he does.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:14 p.m.
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The might give Woll a start to see how he does.


Why not? It maybe an upgrade.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:17 p.m.
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Quoting: swinny
The real issue is that the goaltender market is bare. Can't see many teams willing to ante up a reliable backup without paying a hefty cost.

The best option imo, Raanta, doesn't come close to fitting under the Leafs cap, and upon Campbell's return, creates another issue altogether really.

In short.... the best option is Hutch. It isn't great, but it is what it is.


Their next back to back is in mid-February, and only have 3 between now and mid-March. Obviously not ideal, and it'll be bad if Freddie goes down, but Freddie/Hutch/Woll isn't thaaaat bad. The schedule doesn't really get rough until April.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:20 p.m.
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Their next back to back is in mid-February, and only have 3 between now and mid-March. Obviously not ideal, and it'll be bad if Freddie goes down, but Freddie/Hutch/Woll isn't thaaaat bad. The schedule doesn't really get rough until April.


I think there's no reason to panic and trade for someone or sign anything just yet as there's a few teams that are carrying three goalies that may be forced to put someone on waivers. The Islanders have 3 and they're right up against the cap, so one injury and a goalie might be the sacrifice.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:22 p.m.
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How can the Kings get Lily? We can part with Carter, Iafallo, and AA all retained. All of which are doing very good right now. We can even add a RD prospect with NHL top 4 potential in Jordan Spence


From those options, I'd say Iafallo is probably your best bet, but it hasn't seemed to be Dubas' M.O to trade futures for rentals. Tough to say.
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Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:26 p.m.
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I think there's no reason to panic and trade for someone or sign anything just yet as there's a few teams that are carrying three goalies that may be forced to put someone on waivers. The Islanders have 3 and they're right up against the cap, so one injury and a goalie might be the sacrifice.


Agreed. I mean, Schneider isn't really an upgrade at this point over Hutch, but regardless of what happens, as soon as Campbell comes back, you're waiving that guy anyway. End of the day, unless you're getting a goalie from one of the other Canadian teams, you're still stuck with Hutch for two weeks+ anyway, and then, you're exposing him for free when Campbell comes back.

As an Ian Scott fan from his junior days, I wish he had been healthy last year so he could have got a year of pro hockey in...kid was a stud in Jr.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:28 p.m.
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Agreed. I mean, Schneider isn't really an upgrade at this point over Hutch, but regardless of what happens, as soon as Campbell comes back, you're waiving that guy anyway. End of the day, unless you're getting a goalie from one of the other Canadian teams, you're still stuck with Hutch for two weeks+ anyway, and then, you're exposing him for free when Campbell comes back.

As an Ian Scott fan from his junior days, I wish he had been healthy last year so he could have got a year of pro hockey in...kid was a stud in Jr.


I mean either him or Woll would be worth a look IMO. Oddly enough, I'd say this year would be perfect for any younger goalie to play a game for the Leafs since there's no fans in the crowd.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:29 p.m.
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if he goes to LTIR hes missing 10 games or more

if hes gonna be on IR it means he will probs miss 9 games at most

Im guessing 3 weeks at most hes gonna miss. As he was still able to stand on that leg and play out the game.

Freddie can hold the fort till than and even if Hutch has to play 1 game its not the end of the world
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:29 p.m.
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The real issue is that the goaltender market is bare. Can't see many teams willing to ante up a reliable backup without paying a hefty cost.

The best option imo, Raanta, doesn't come close to fitting under the Leafs cap, and upon Campbell's return, creates another issue altogether really.

In short.... the best option is Hutch. It isn't great, but it is what it is.


It's a tough situation, but I think this might be a time where you have to just eat it and pay extra for a decent backup (if Campbell is out long term). I'm not at all comfortable with Hutchinson being next in line and potentially starting a minimum of 2 weeks worth of games if Freddy goes down - And if you think they'll have to overpay now, you got another thing coming with Freddie and Campbell both out. If it comes down to Hutch, I'll be rooting for him, but I'd much rather be more insulated against that.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:31 p.m.
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Their next back to back is in mid-February, and only have 3 between now and mid-March. Obviously not ideal, and it'll be bad if Freddie goes down, but Freddie/Hutch/Woll isn't thaaaat bad. The schedule doesn't really get rough until April.


If Freddie goes down, it could be season ending. I don't like that. I'd just like a buffer between Freddie and Hutch.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:31 p.m.
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The real issue is acquiring someone is "weeks" away as well with isolation protocol.


And that makes the whole idea of getting a goalie rather useless, by the time a backup will be ready, Campbell could be fine. The Leafs don't have any back to backs until Feb 17 so we have a good stretch of time anyways. I'd say do nothing for now and wait and see. Andersen is going to get a steady stream of starts and we'll see.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:33 p.m.
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I know, I mentioned that in the description. So if Dubas waits, and Freddie happens to get hurt...

I bet he's already at least making a list of potential guys depending on how long they know Campbell to be out for.


He likely always has lists of guys for any scenario but wasting assets for an (right now fantasy) Andersen injury is just silly. They don't have any back to backs till mid Feb.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:33 p.m.
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How can the Kings get Lily? We can part with Carter, Iafallo, and AA all retained. All of which are doing very good right now. We can even add a RD prospect with NHL top 4 potential in Jordan Spence


No need for any of that nonsense, Liljegren is fine where he is.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:34 p.m.
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The might give Woll a start to see how he does.


Considering they don't have a back to back until mid Feb, they may not even need to give anyone else a start.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:39 p.m.
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He likely always has lists of guys for any scenario but wasting assets for an (right now fantasy) Andersen injury is just silly. They don't have any back to backs till mid Feb.


Better than waiting for the worst to come, imo. If Campbell is out long term and Freddie goes down as well, you'll be wasting even more assets on a goalie because you're desperate and you've potentially lost two weeks to Hutchinson. If Dubas can find a decent trade (I'm not saying he has to find a new Campbell, just better than Hutch) now, I think he should pull the trigger.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:41 p.m.
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Unless you want someone like Charlie Lindgren, who is basically the same as Hutchinson, right-handedness and all, you’ll need to wait at least 2 weeks for them to get there anyways.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:43 p.m.
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Better than waiting for the worst to come, imo. If Campbell is out long term and Freddie goes down as well, you'll be wasting even more assets on a goalie because you're desperate and you've potentially lost two weeks to Hutchinson. If Dubas can find a decent trade (I'm not saying he has to find a new Campbell, just better than Hutch) now, I think he should pull the trigger.


May as well trade for Barkov in case Matthews and JT get hurt, or OEL if Rielly gets hurt, hell let's trade everyone in case everyone gets hurt. Making moves in case something happens isn't very wise. Especially if you are negotiating from a position of weakness. Looking around the league? Who's available who is a clear upgrade over Hutch? Literally no one.
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Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:44 p.m.
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It's a tough situation, but I think this might be a time where you have to just eat it and pay extra for a decent backup (if Campbell is out long term). I'm not at all comfortable with Hutchinson being next in line and potentially starting a minimum of 2 weeks worth of games if Freddy goes down - And if you think they'll have to overpay now, you got another thing coming with Freddie and Campbell both out. If it comes down to Hutch, I'll be rooting for him, but I'd much rather be more insulated against that.


We were. Rather than carry 3 tenders, Dell went to Jersey.....
Jan. 26, 2021 at 3:53 p.m.
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Unless you want someone like Charlie Lindgren, who is basically the same as Hutchinson, right-handedness and all, you’ll need to wait at least 2 weeks for them to get there anyways.


I'm aware. That's kind of my main point here. We don't know what 'Weeks' means with Campbell yet. If that happens to be more than we hope for (say 6+), we're very vulnerable for a longer period of time in the event of a Freddie injury. If we can find a decent trade option out there soon, it might be better to pull the trigger now than to wait.
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Jan. 26, 2021 at 4:17 p.m.
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May as well trade for Barkov in case Matthews and JT get hurt, or OEL if Rielly gets hurt, hell let's trade everyone in case everyone gets hurt. Making moves in case something happens isn't very wise. Especially if you are negotiating from a position of weakness. Looking around the league? Who's available who is a clear upgrade over Hutch? Literally no one.


That is insane reductio ad absurdum and very clearly different situations. The position of goaltender has more influence on the outcome of a game than any other and we are one very possible event away from having a guy who was a non option for us last year being our starter for a minimum of two weeks in a shortened season. If there is a decent trade to be made out there (again, I'm not suggesting we give away the farm for somebody, just another option), I think the potential reward could outweigh the risk.
Jan. 26, 2021 at 4:18 p.m.
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We were. Rather than carry 3 tenders, Dell went to Jersey.....


Yeah, but I mean, now we're not... It is what it is. You can only do what you can now. If you can get a Dell type back right now for a pick, I don't see the real harm in that.
 
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