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Created by: JmoneyTalk

Team: 2020-21 Edmonton Oilers

Initial Creation Date: Feb. 8, 2021

Published: Feb. 8, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Raanta or Keumper but Raanta is a UFA, makes more sense for the retention. Bennet, just a play off the trade rumours to Toronto (Engvall, Dermott) Bennett is a 4th liner. 4th liner for 4th liner, JJ is cheaper even with retention and will cost much less to extend. 2nd for a possible top 4D. Again, just a Oilers package on a Toronto, Calgary rumour. Mantha was scratched, he really hasn't put up a ton of points, just throwing something out there, how do you value him?

This next section if for my fellow Oilers fans or anyone else who cares.

Nuge doesn't sign until the offseason, he doesn't need protection. Bouchard takes the spot and runs. Bear comes back and finds another gear.

The idea is try to get into th playoffs, the Oilers need to do something with their goalie situation. Mantha and Bennet would help the forward group even though they need D. If this doesn't work then they then make a move for a D soon after or by the TDL. Of they can't find a way to win regardless of these trades they need to do something. Even if they get a chance at a good pick this year (again?) They won't be ready for another how many years? Use that pick to bring in a difference makes on D or rework the D this offseason UFA/trades and sign Raanta or any one else really? They have a ton of cap this offseason, it's time for Holland to make it happen or its another decade of darkness and 1st overall picks.

I know the season is young and spots 3-5 in the north are stil anybody's but let's gooo! Figure it out haha

Trades

EDM

Mantha, Anthony

DET

Larsson, Adam
2022 2nd round pick (EDM)

EDM

Bennett, Sam ($500,000 retained)
2021 2nd round pick (CGY)

CGY

EDM

Raanta, Antti ($2,125,000 retained)

ARI

Chiasson, Alex
2021 2nd round pick (CGY)

Buyouts

Andrej Sekera: $2,500,000
Benoit Pouliot: $1,333,333

Retained Salary Transactions

Milan Lucic: $750,000 (12.5%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2021
2022
2023

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$78,597,366	$341,534	$730,000	$2,902,634

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Mantha, Anthony $2,850,000$2,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	McDavid, Connor $12,500,000$12,500,000 C UFA - 6	Puljujärvi, Jesse $1,175,000$1,175,000 RW UFA - 2
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan $6,000,000$6,000,000 LW, C UFA - 1	Draisaitl, Leon $8,500,000$8,500,000 C, LW UFA - 5	Yamamoto, Kailer $894,166$894,166 ($230,000$230K) RW RFA - 1
Kahun, Dominik $975,000$975,000 LW, RW, C UFA - 1		Kassian, Zack $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 4
Bennett, Sam $2,050,000$2,050,000 C UFA - 1	Turris, Kyle $1,650,000$1,650,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Neal, James $5,750,000$5,750,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
	Haas, Gaëtan $915,000$915,000 C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Nurse, Darnell $5,600,000$5,600,000 LD UFA - 2	Bear, Ethan $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD UFA - 2	Raanta, Antti $2,125,000$2,125,000 G UFA - 1
Koekkoek, Slater $850,000$850,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Bouchard, Evan $863,333$863,333 ($500,000$500K) RD RFA - 3	Koskinen, Mikko $4,500,000$4,500,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Lagesson, William $725,000$725,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Barrie, Tyson $3,750,000$3,750,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Russell, Kris $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1		Klefbom, Oscar $4,167,000$4,167,000 LD UFA - 3
Nygård, Joakim $875,000$875,000 LW UFA - 1
Archibald, Josh $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 2

Taxi Squad
Smith, Mike $1,500,000$1,500,000 ($425,000$425K$425,000$425K) ($500,000$500K) G NTC UFA - 1
Shore, Devin $700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0) LW, C, RW UFA - 1
Russell, Patrick $700,000$700,000 ($0$0$0$0) RW UFA - 1
Ennis, Tyler $1,000,000$1,000,000 ($0$0$0$0) LW, RW UFA - 1
Benson, Tyler $808,333$808,333 ($0$0$0$0) LW, RW UFA - 1
Quine, Alan $750,000$750,000 ($0$0$0$0) C UFA - 1

Feb. 8, 2021 at 5:57 p.m.

Ryminister_27

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Mantha starts with Broberg or Bouchard. Likely adding in Puljujarvi in there too.

Call it an overpay, but Mantha has very strong analytics and is signed on a great deal with term. Detroit has no reason to move him for nothing short of something that blows them away.

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Feb. 8, 2021 at 5:57 p.m.

KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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DET declines, as Mantha is their 2nd best

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Feb. 8, 2021 at 6:02 p.m.

OldNYIfan

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I think that Detroit values Mantha about the same as Toronto values Nylander.

Just offering my two cents because I'll never see either one of them playing a home game in Southern California.

Feb. 8, 2021 at 6:02 p.m.

JmoneyTalk

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Quoting: Ryminister_27

Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

DET declines, as Mantha is their 2nd best

I agree, he's their second be best forward but that's not a good thing.. that is an overpay.. I know he's worth more then a second and Larsson but he's not worth a top D prospect from anyone. JP thrown in makes sense (still not ready give up on him though)..

Feb. 8, 2021 at 6:04 p.m.

JmoneyTalk

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

I think that Detroit values Mantha about the same as Toronto values Nylander.

Just offering my two cents because I'll never see either one of them playing a home game in Southern California.

I agree he has value to the team because he's one of their best forwards but Nylander is way better in my opinion. I don't think there's an actual trade available for Mantha, unless they keep scratching him and Holland makes a call for an old player of his.

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Feb. 8, 2021 at 6:04 p.m.

Ryminister_27

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Quoting: JmoneyTalk

Mantha has better analytics than Nylander does. He's a complete player with size and production while being signed long term on a bargain deal. It absolutely starts with a top prospect and young roster player

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Feb. 8, 2021 at 6:10 p.m.

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Quoting: Ryminister_27

100%

Feb. 8, 2021 at 6:12 p.m.

JmoneyTalk

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Quoting: Ryminister_27

I would like to see those analytics. I think Nylander is still better regardless just from watching them play. Either way, there's a lot better players that can be had for that price. If Detroit keeps scratching him we'll see how much their evaluation changes. And again, he's a second line player on most teams, but would he find another great with McDavid? Or will McDavid make him look good?

Feb. 8, 2021 at 6:12 p.m.

JmoneyTalk

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Quoting: NYR1983

100%

Quoting: JmoneyTalk

Feb. 8, 2021 at 6:23 p.m.

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That's really nowhere near what it would take to get Mantha out of Detroit. He's had a bit of a rough start but some people are severely undervaluing him based off that. He's still an elite power forward that should be able to put up 30+ goals and 60+ points (full season) on DETROIT. A rental defenseman and a 2nd round pick is a laughable offer for him. As someone said earlier, Bouchard or Broberg would need to be involved to start the conversation.

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Feb. 8, 2021 at 6:30 p.m.

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Quoting: JmoneyTalk

If you wanna directly compare the two of them, the easiest site is:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR

from there you can look at sites like hockey-reference.com or something similar and look at individual stats back and fourth. Personally I use internal analytics since I work in the scouting industry and use analytics, but I'm not able to disclose those. But those sites should get you started.

Nylander is the more flashy player making more highlight plays. But Mantha is the far more complete player.

Feb. 8, 2021 at 6:55 p.m.

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

DET declines, as Mantha is their 2nd best

I agree but he is the most talented player on the team offensively at least.

Feb. 8, 2021 at 6:58 p.m.

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Quoting: aedoran

I agree but he is the most talented player on the team offensively at least.

uhhhhh Larkin>>

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Feb. 8, 2021 at 7:26 p.m.

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Would it be crazy to move mantha, no. This isnt the deal though. Can't move him for a guy whos a ufa in 4 months and a 2nd.

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Feb. 8, 2021 at 7:29 p.m.

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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

uhhhhh Larkin>>

He the best because he puts in so much work and he is a true 2 way player and faster. Mantha is a pure goal scorer do to injuries and being some what lazy at times I don't think we have seen his full potential. He has had a couple of streaks where he was close to averaging 2 points a game.

Feb. 8, 2021 at 7:29 p.m.

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Theyre different kinda players but I agree nylander has more individual skill. Id like to see mantha play top 6 minutes in Toronto with Mathew or Tavares and see what it looks like though.

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Feb. 8, 2021 at 8:00 p.m.

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I think larsson is worth more to EDMONTON than mantha is. Not about who’s better but more of who’s better fit. Edmonton doesn’t have much on the back end of a physical cycle breaker larsson brings that in spades. I wouldn’t do that deal just because of how soft it makes blueline. Nothing at all against mantha.
Flames trade I don’t think I can ever get behind just two teams that shouldn’t even talk to each other.
Arizona deal let’s just see how smith does getting into line up first. Him and kosk provided a solid tandem last season.

Feb. 8, 2021 at 8:05 p.m.

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Get freaking real, Larsson is a pending UFA this summer and Mantha still has 3 years left. Larsson is also 2 years older then Mantha plus a 2nd round pick is a pitiful offer Detroit easily declines that offer. Anthony Mantha starts with one of Bouchard/Brogerg plus Puljujarvi minimally..

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Feb. 8, 2021 at 9:27 p.m.

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You forgot yamamoto, bouchard, this year's first, rodrigue and Holloway for mantha

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