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3 way trade

Created by: csick
Initial Creation Date: Mar 3, 2021
Published: Mar 3 at 2:11
Team: 2020-21 New York Rangers
Team Explanation
Just a framework
Trades
NYR
  1. Turcotte, Alex
LAK
  1. Lundkvist, Nils [Reserve List]
Additional Details:
Rangers add more. Idk how much it would take
NYR
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Turcotte, Alex
  2. Kakko, Kaapo
  3. 2021 1st round pick (NYR)
Additional Details:
Maybe another piece or pick
Buyouts
  • Kevin Shattenkirk: $6,083,333
  • Henrik Lundqvist: $5,500,000
  • Dan Girardi: $1,111,111
  • Ryan Spooner: $300,000
  • Brad Richards: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
NYR
BUF
NYR
OTT
NYR
NYR
NYR
2022
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
2023
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$86,428,966$0$7,712,500-$4,928,966
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NYR
Panarin, Artemi
$11,642,857
LW
NMC
UFA - 6
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Buchnevich, Pavel
$3,250,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
NYR
Kreider, Chris
$6,500,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 7
NYR
Strome, Ryan
$4,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
NYR
Gauthier, Julien
$863,333
RW
RFA - 1
NYR
Lemieux, Brendan
$1,550,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
NYR
Chytil, Filip
$894,166
C, LW
RFA - 1
NYR
Rooney, Kevin
$750,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
NYR
Lafrenière, Alexis
$925,000
LW
RFA - 3
NYR
Howden, Brett
$863,333
C
RFA - 1
NYR
Di Giuseppe, Phillip
$700,000
LW
UFA - 1
NYR
Blackwell, Colin
$725,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NYR
Smith, Brendan
$4,350,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 1
NYR
Fox, Adam
$925,000
RD
RFA - 2
NYR
Georgiev, Alexandar
$2,425,000
G
RFA - 2
NYR
Johnson, Jack
$1,150,000
LD
UFA - 1
NYR
Shesterkin, Igor
$925,000
G
RFA - 1
NYR
Miller, K'Andre
$925,000
LD
RFA - 3
NYR
Lindgren, Ryan
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
NYR
Hájek, Libor
$833,333
LD
RFA - 1
NYR
Bitetto, Anthony
$737,500
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
NYR
Trouba, Jacob
$8,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
Taxi Squad
NYR
Deangelo, Anthony
$4,800,000 ($3,725,000)
RD
RFA - 2
NYR
Kinkaid, Keith
$825,000 ($0)
G
UFA - 2
NYR
Ronning, Ty
$750,833 ($0)
RW
RFA - 1
NYR
Brodzinski, Jonny
$700,000 ($0)
C
UFA - 1

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Mar 3 at 2:13
#1
Kuokkanen Fanpage
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I feel like alot of people are undervaluing Turcotte now
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Mar 3 at 2:15
#2
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KFTW
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Quoting: Devil1122
I feel like alot of people are undervaluing Turcotte now


I don’t think he’s underrated. He’s very good but I think Buffalo would want 2 guys with huge potential in the trade and Rangers don’t have much to offer besides Laf or Kakko
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Mar 3 at 2:15
#3
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If LA is giving up Turcotte in any deal, I'd imagine they expect to get Eichel back in return. They're not gonna give up their 2nd best prospect to help another team get a top 5 centre in the league
Mar 3 at 2:18
#4
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
If LA is giving up Turcotte in any deal, I'd imagine they expect to get Eichel back in return. They're not gonna give up their 2nd best prospect to help another team get a top 5 centre in the league


Well Buffalo should get back 2 top young players including a centre.
Mar 3 at 2:23
#5
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Buffalo's dilemma is that very few teams could take Eichel's cap without sending an equal amount back.
The LA trade, I would take as the Sabres and use some of the available cap space to sign a good player(s). Unfortunately for the Sabres, like the Canucks, their off season UFA signings have been poor.
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Mar 3 at 2:25
#6
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Quoting: palhal
Buffalo's dilemma is that very few teams could take Eichel's cap without sending an equal amount back.
The LA trade, I would take as the Sabres and use some of the available cap space to sign a good player(s). Unfortunately for the Sabres, like the Canucks, their off season UFA signings have been poor.


Yeah this is what Buffalo needs. 2 solid young players. Will provide less risk than a Kakko + other assets trade
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Mar 3 at 2:28
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NYR should just do the 1st deal and keep Turcotte

(Lundkvist+ for Turcotte)
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Mar 3 at 2:30
#8
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Quoting: csick
Well Buffalo should get back 2 top young players including a centre.


That's a tough ask in the current market with a flat cap and the other team taking on a $10M cap hit
Mar 3 at 2:32
#9
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
That's a tough ask in the current market with a flat cap and the other team taking on a $10M cap hit


Buffalo could take on cap but don’t expect it to count towards value
Mar 3 at 2:39
#10
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Quoting: csick
Buffalo could take on cap but don’t expect it to count towards value


Rangers have plenty of cap space. But Lundkvist is untouchable. What about Robertson and Barron for Turcotte. Then add Strome to Buffalo.
Mar 3 at 2:40
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Edited Mar 3 at 2:54
add 2022 1st + cap dump

or

BUF: Kakko, Turcotte, Strome, 2021 1st, 2022 1st
NYR: Eichel
LA: Lundkvist/Schneider + Johnson/Samuelsson
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Mar 3 at 2:42
#12
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Quoting: csick
I don’t think he’s underrated. He’s very good but I think Buffalo would want 2 guys with huge potential in the trade and Rangers don’t have much to offer besides Laf or Kakko


I believe you are underating Turcotte. Lundkvist went 28th overall in 2018, Turcotte went 5th, I have to imagine you either believe Lundkvist is a blue-chip talent or Turcotte wasn't worth a top 10 pick. If the Kings are giving up Turcotte the Rangers need to send one of: Kakko, Laffy, Fox, or Shestyorkin. If the Kings are giving up their second-best prospect, they need a blue-chip talent coming back. They can affprd to wait and see him develop in their system.
Mar 3 at 3:15
#13
Michael_Peca
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So 4 players are traded but the Rangers end up with the 2 best??????
Mar 3 at 3:16
#14
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Quoting: RobbieS
So 4 players are traded but the Rangers end up with the 2 best??????


Where do u see the Rangers acquiring 2 guys? Turcotte is flipped to Buffalo
Mar 3 at 3:55
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
NYR should just do the 1st deal and keep Turcotte

(Lundkvist+ for Turcotte)


Maybe. But if they go for Eichel , Buffalo would ask for a centre back. So that’s where Turcotte comes in
Mar 3 at 3:55
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Quoting: tryger
I believe you are underating Turcotte. Lundkvist went 28th overall in 2018, Turcotte went 5th, I have to imagine you either believe Lundkvist is a blue-chip talent or Turcotte wasn't worth a top 10 pick. If the Kings are giving up Turcotte the Rangers need to send one of: Kakko, Laffy, Fox, or Shestyorkin. If the Kings are giving up their second-best prospect, they need a blue-chip talent coming back. They can affprd to wait and see him develop in their system.


Lundkvist should have been drafted higher. He is first all time for U21 players in the SHL - better than both Karlsson and Dahlin.
He leads all dmen in the SHL in goals and PP goals and is 17th in the league (all skaters) with 21:11 avg ice time.
i'd say he is bluechip.
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Mar 3 at 3:55
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Quoting: Mike_Gartner
Lundkvist should have been drafted higher. He is first all time for U21 players in the SHL - better than both Karlsson and Dahlin.
He leads all dmen in the SHL in goals and PP goals and is 17th in the league (all skaters) with 21:11 avg ice time.
i'd say he is bluechip.


I agree
Mar 3 at 4:04
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Quoting: csick
Maybe. But if they go for Eichel , Buffalo would ask for a centre back. So that’s where Turcotte comes in


I got that, and kudos for the creative approach
But there is an argument that Turcotte/Kakko/1st could be more valuable to NYR.
Especially if Zib struggles are temporary.
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Mar 3 at 4:10
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Quoting: tryger
I believe you are underating Turcotte. Lundkvist went 28th overall in 2018, Turcotte went 5th, I have to imagine you either believe Lundkvist is a blue-chip talent or Turcotte wasn't worth a top 10 pick. If the Kings are giving up Turcotte the Rangers need to send one of: Kakko, Laffy, Fox, or Shestyorkin. If the Kings are giving up their second-best prospect, they need a blue-chip talent coming back. They can affprd to wait and see him develop in their system.


nils is a blue chip and position of draft doesn't mean value, lias went 7th and necas and suzuki were much later yet there value is wayyy more than his obviously, nils has legit just been tearing up and breaking records in SHL U21. Im not trying to undermine Turcottes value bc he's gonna be sick but nils is gonna be a stud as well.
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Mar 3 at 6:46
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Quoting: Nikolay_Zherdev
nils is a blue chip and position of draft doesn't mean value, lias went 7th and necas and suzuki were much later yet there value is wayyy more than his obviously, nils has legit just been tearing up and breaking records in SHL U21. Im not trying to undermine Turcottes value bc he's gonna be sick but nils is gonna be a stud as well.


I agree, 2017 draft position doesn't equal their current value. But I would still prefer Fox over Lundkvist if both have the potential to being top pairing RD. I think with Turcotte being drafted last year at such a high position and won a gold medal in the world juniors as a 1C, he needs to have a proven player coming back if they give up on him this early.
Mar 3 at 6:51
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Quoting: Mike_Gartner
Lundkvist should have been drafted higher. He is first all time for U21 players in the SHL - better than both Karlsson and Dahlin.
He leads all dmen in the SHL in goals and PP goals and is 17th in the league (all skaters) with 21:11 avg ice time.
i'd say he is bluechip.


Higher yes, but being equal value to a potential 1C in Turcotte, I'd rather take my chances with Turcotte adapting to the NHL game than a Swedish defenseman to the NHL game.
Mar 3 at 7:14
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Quoting: tryger
Higher yes, but being equal value to a potential 1C in Turcotte, I'd rather take my chances with Turcotte adapting to the NHL game than a Swedish defenseman to the NHL game.


As I mentioned I'm not putting anything down on turcotte im just saying nils value is pretty high as well he's looking like a top pair dman as well with an awesome nack for goals on the PP
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Mar 3 at 9:20
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Quoting: tryger
Higher yes, but being equal value to a potential 1C in Turcotte, I'd rather take my chances with Turcotte adapting to the NHL game than a Swedish defenseman to the NHL game.


Never said a word about Turcotte.
Also, there is no shortage of successful Swedish defenseman in NHL history, so I’m not sure what you are implying. I simply said Nils is a bluechip.
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Mar 3 at 9:41
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Quoting: Nikolay_Zherdev
As I mentioned I'm not putting anything down on turcotte im just saying nils value is pretty high as well he's looking like a top pair dman as well with an awesome nack for goals on the PP


Quoting: Mike_Gartner
Never said a word about Turcotte.
Also, there is no shortage of successful Swedish defenseman in NHL history, so I’m not sure what you are implying. I simply said Nils is a bluechip.


Please recall this text thread began from believing this trade undervalues Turcotte. I'm not trying to put Nils down either or indicate he will be a bust, simply that I would not be happy if Blake did a 1-for-1 deal for him if Turcotte was the piece that was given up. The selection of Worbo as AHL coach and moving him from college shows that the Kings are all in on Turcotte, and it would have to be something impressive to seem an acceptable trade this early in his development. That being said, I imagine Lundqvist will be an impressive part of the Rangers' future, as I hope Turcotte will be as well.
Mar 3 at 9:48
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Jaromir_Jagr_the_leg
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Quoting: tryger
Please recall this text thread began from believing this trade undervalues Turcotte. I'm not trying to put Nils down either or indicate he will be a bust, simply that I would not be happy if Blake did a 1-for-1 deal for him if Turcotte was the piece that was given up. The selection of Worbo as AHL coach and moving him from college shows that the Kings are all in on Turcotte, and it would have to be something impressive to seem an acceptable trade this early in his development. That being said, I imagine Lundqvist will be an impressive part of the Rangers' future, as I hope Turcotte will be as well.


No I actually don’t think it’s a one for one just think value isn’t so far off
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