Overpay for Wood and a MASSIVE over pay for Zadorov.

A bottom 6 winger and 3LD prospect isn't helpful to us tbh.

More helpful than Z

Wings aren't interested in paying futures for your collection of mediocre players

A lot of the Hawks posts I see don't even do anything with Zad, that's why I thought giving the Hawks two prospects would be enough. I also believe that POJ can be a top 4 d-man but at this moment he is at least a 3rd pair guy.

That’s very fair for Wood

All you're giving up is 2 4th round picks in a draft of unknowns. The wings get a decent cheap back up that can be easily flipped at the deadline for a 3rd or fourth and the same goes for ZAR. The picks you get back will be in a draft were scouting can actually go out and scout players.

no chance poj is dealt unless its for a real impact player

It's simply not worth it. Just adds more clutter to the roster with no real benefit and while Wings are trying to work more young guys into the lineup next year and beyond. Maybe if Bernier walks and they strike out in free agent goalie market they'd have interest in DeSmith

My thought process was Burke and Hextall are looking for size and one of the fears I have is that POJ might get pushed around in a similar way to MP. With Zad the pens will have a dude that is definitely not afraid inflict damage with big hits. Zad I think offers balance throughout the lineup. Tanev, Wood and Goodrow can all throw their weight around but there is no one on the back end that can really command that physical presence.

Devils decline

I'm not so sure, I think it's fair. What would you like to see added?

First having to flip a player to get fair value in a trade you already made takes away from the value its not a selling point.

I do think Detroit says no but it's not about value it's about need. Detroit doesn't need any more wingers at this point so ZAR don't have a lot value from Detroit's pov. DeSmith doesn't really upgrade Detroit's goalie situation and I'm not saying he bad it just Detroit already 2 goalies on the same level.

That's fair. My view was you will be getting better value from the picks you receive. The picks you will be giving up is in a draft where scouts had a tougher time getting out to see players. Was not entirely sure of the whole roster layout of the wings.

That just what I think but who knows. Bernier made it clear he wants to stay but nothing from the Wing's has been made public. Maybe Yzerman is waiting till after the expansion draft. Now if DeSmith was 3 or 4yrs youngerI would take this deal.

Ya I don't follow the wings enough to know about Bernier coming back. No offense but why on earth would he want to stay lol

Value wise, its probably fair, we just have enough prospects who are 2-3LD projections in Beaudin, Vlasic, Kalynuk and we have a lot of bottom 6 forward prospects trying to make the grade. Stan is probably going to be after a pick or involve in a package. I personally think Zads has a lot to offer which we don't have. What myself and a lot of Hawks fans probably can agree on is that for where we are currently, he's better suited to another system and probably a team pushing for playoffs. His physicality is exactly what playoff hockey needs.

O'Connor is Hardman, POL is good prospect though we have Beaudin, Vlasic, Kalynuk. Im not saying the value is off, I'm saying I'm looking at alternative packages for Z before taking this under consideration.

There are only three problems with that Detroit trade:

1. Detroit already have two goalies, they don't need a third.

2. Riikola is not the type of defender Detroit needs. Detrot have 4 LD prospects newly signed and 2 more unsigned. Detroit needs one or two veteran defenders to tie them over until the prospects mature and those will be found in FA without costing any picks.

3. Detroit doesn't have a roster spot for Aston-Reese. Detroit already have 9 wingers that are waiver eligible penned in for next season + two more in Raymond and Berggren.

That is what makes this trade proposal totally unrealistic. It doesn't take into account what needs and wants the other team has.

Why would you trade Pettersson, and then bring in someone who plays the same position but is worse? Might as well keep Pettersson.

Trading Aston-Reese is not smart since he's one of the best defensive forwards in the league and is critical for that 4th line

I traded MP because he got absolutely bullied in front of the net and in the corners this season and brought Zad because he will bring a big physical presence that Burke will want especially come playoff time. I traded ZAR because I think he will want a bigger contract and I wanted to replace him with a cheaper bigger option in Zohorna who will hopefully add more offense than ZAR.

Pettersson had the best shot and scoring chance suppression of any Pens d-man this season. Trading him would be a mistake. While there's nothing inherently wrong with wanting to become more physical, you should be looking for players that bring value outside of their physicality, this is not the case with Zadorov.

ZAR even though he's a pending FA won't get too big of a contract. If I would guess, he wouldn't get more than 2.5M. While I found Zohorna as an interesting option, it is very unlikely he can provide the defensive value ZAR does

I rather spend ZAR's 2mil on a goalie but that is just my preference. I get his shot suppression was good but he was so brutal at times in front of the net and corners which resulted in goals against, with Zad he should not get beat in front or in the corners nearly as easy as MP.

A couple of days ago Yzerman said he hasn't started talking to their UFAs/RFAs yet but he intends to soon.
He has to wait until after the expansion draft because he's protecting Greiss.