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Created by: Drai_By_shooting
Initial Creation Date: Aug 4, 2021
Published: Aug 4 at 11:11
Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
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I dont entirely agree with all the heat Koskinen gets. His 2019-20 season numbers were virtually identical to that offseasons most sought after goaltender Jacob Markstrom who signed a 6x6 deal with Calgary. A .917 save percentage is nothing to snuff at. Sure his glove hand has moments and sometimes he let in the games first shot/goal, but the numbers speak for themselves. This past season if he hadn't played every minute of the teams first 13 games including a couple back to backs in there his numbers would of been better. Not many goalies if any could of carried that workload. Once Smith came back his numbers went back up. Eliminate the season opening stretch and they were almost exactly the same as the year before. Ullmark just signed a 4yr x 5mil contract with lesser numbers and a history of injuries, something that hasn't plagued Mikko. I think Oilers fans just love to hate. The decade plus of darkness soured alot of us. And we often place more focus on the negatives then the positives. Which is a shame. Its chased a fair amount of good players out of town. I think its time to change. But yet i still am fine moving Koskinen or anyone if it means growth up front or on the backend.

Also i tried my best to keep Klefbom off LTIR to accrue additional cap space for deadline deals.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Yamamoto, Kailer2$1,750,000
Skinner, Stuart2$850,000
Benson, Tyler2$850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Benn, Jordie1$1,000,000
Trades
EDM
  1. Brown, Connor
  2. Forsberg, Anton
Additional Details:
See my Previous post "Best 3rd line in NHL" for said past debates/discussions on this trade. This fits the timelines of both teams better.
OTT
  1. Koskinen, Mikko
  2. Lavoie, Raphael
  3. 2023 1st round pick (EDM)
  4. 2023 4th round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Hinostroza, Vinnie
Additional Details:
Cooper Marody, the AHLs leading goal scorer last season deserves a chance. He will get that opportunity in Buffalo. Buffalos cap space is impressive. They are entering full rebuild. Gathering Picks and prospects the next few years while using said space to their advantage is going to be the route to follow
BUF
  1. Kassian, Zack
  2. Turris, Kyle
  3. Marody, Cooper [RFA Rights]
  4. Tullio, Tyler [Reserve List]
  5. 2024 2nd round pick (EDM)
  6. 2024 3rd round pick (EDM)
Buyouts
  • James Neal: $1,916,667
  • Andrej Sekera: $1,500,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
2023
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
2024
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$79,238,968$669,339$907,500$2,261,032
Left WingCenterRight Wing
EDM
Hyman, Zach
$5,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
EDM
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
UFA - 5
OTT
Brown, Connor
$3,600,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
EDM
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
$5,125,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 8
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 4
EDM
Yamamoto, Kailer
$1,750,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
EDM
Foegele, Warren
$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
EDM
Ryan, Derek
$1,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
EDM
Puljujärvi, Jesse
$1,175,000
RW
RFA - 1
EDM
Archibald, Josh
$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
EDM
McLeod, Ryan
$834,167
C
RFA - 1
BUF
Hinostroza, Vinnie
$1,050,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
EDM
Nurse, Darnell
$5,600,000
LD
UFA - 1
EDM
Barrie, Tyson
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
EDM
Smith, Mike
$2,200,000
G
UFA - 2
EDM
Keith, Duncan
$5,538,462
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
EDM
Ceci, Cody
$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 4
OTT
Forsberg, Anton
$900,000
G
UFA - 1
Benn, Jordie
$1,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
EDM
Bouchard, Evan
$863,333
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
EDM
Lagesson, William
$725,000
LD
RFA - 1
EDM
Klefbom, Oscar
$4,167,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
Taxi Squad
EDM
Stalock, Alex
$785,000 ($0)
G
UFA - 1
EDM
Russell, Kris
$1,250,000 ($125,000)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
EDM
Shore, Devin
$850,000 ($0)
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2

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Aug 4 at 11:21
#1
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Regardless of trade value and assuming these moves work, move Klefbom to LTIR and sign Tatar.

Hyman - McDavid - Puljujarvi
Tatar - Drai - Yamamoto
Foegele - Nuge - Brown

That's a very good top 9 and would turn a rather poor Holland off-season into a much better one.
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Aug 4 at 11:24
#2
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Trust me you don’t want Jordie Benn
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Aug 4 at 11:25
#3
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and that's a pretty solid NO from OTT...
You want C.Brown, we want Yamamoto AND Puljujärvi
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Aug 4 at 11:29
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Ah the Koskinen debate…. Well you all know where I stand. Koskinen is meh, but overpaid. He needs to go. He makes a total of 4.5M for 1 year, and is a backup. Down below is his stats as an NHL goalie….. as you can see, he has never been the best NHL goalie, but he has been okay. Yes, our fan base is one of the worst, but there is a time that we need to win, and our time is now. We need a good starter. If we can get that, then I would have to say that we will be a good team this year. Comparing him to starters like Markstrom, Ullmark, etc is not fair, because he is simply not as good as they are, also, they played on way worse teams then Koskinen has. That will play with your stats a lot in my opinion, which is another reason why it’s not fair to compare. For example John Gibson, he has bad stats, because he plays on Anaheim, even though he is a top 5 goalie in the league in my opinion. Given Koskinen’s last 4 years, I think his 2019-2020 SV% was a fluke, because he has never been that good since. Anyway, goalies are voodoo, most will play good one game, and not so good the next. But is that the case for old Mikko…. I don’t know. He is okay, but you can’t say he is underrated, and you definitely can’t say he is anything other than an okay overpaid backup goalie.


2010-2011: NYI: 4GP, 2W, 1L, 4.33GAA, .873SV%
2018-2019: EDM: 55GP, 25W, 21L, 6OTL, 2.93GAA, .906SV%
2019-2020: EDM: 38GP, 18W, 13L, 3OTL, 2.75GAA, .917SV%
2020-2021: EDM: 26GP, 13W, 13L, 3.17GAA, .899SV%
Aug 4 at 11:30
#5
sensonfire
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To make this trade for Connor Brown worthwhile for Ottawa:


1. Turn the 2023 1st into a 2022 1st.

2. Swap out Lavoie for Yamamoto.


Those are the minimum requirements for a Connor Brown trade.

He's highly valued in our nation's capital smile
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Aug 4 at 11:51
#6
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This is the exact trade that I want Dorion to make.

CBrown is loved, but thats because we havent had much to love in OTT recently

Lavoie looks great, and fits the rebuild timeline better. OTT is going to need impactful players on ELC in 2 years and Lavoie can be one of those players.

If you swapped the 1st to 2022, I would be in favour of accepting this.
Aug 4 at 12:01
#7
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There is no reason or incentive for Ottawa to pick up a Koskinen dump in a Brown trade. Much like the Sabres being unwilling to include a Skinner or Okposo dump in an Eichel trade, I cant imagine much of an appetite for bringing that sort of asset in while moving a valuable player out. If you want to give a 1st and a prospect for Brown, be my guest but your Koskinen cap dump should be aimed at Buffalo or Arizona.
Aug 4 at 12:09
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Cole Harbour Boy
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Quoting: sensonfire
To make this trade for Connor Brown worthwhile for Ottawa:


1. Turn the 2023 1st into a 2022 1st.

2. Swap out Lavoie for Yamamoto.


Those are the minimum requirements for a Connor Brown trade.

He's highly valued in our nation's capital smile


I have zero problems doing that. The 2023 First rounder is MUCH more valuable with 2 potential Generational talents sitting at the top, in whats being deemed the deepest draft since McDavids in 2015. As for Yamamoto, id also gladly swap him. He got crushed in the playoffs by the big boys. I'd sooner keep the 6'4" fast, sharp shooter in Lavoie. Done. No take backs lol
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Aug 4 at 12:10
#9
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Edited Aug 4 at 12:39
Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
There is no reason or incentive for Ottawa to pick up a Koskinen dump in a Brown trade. Much like the Sabres being unwilling to include a Skinner or Okposo dump in an Eichel trade, I cant imagine much of an appetite for bringing that sort of asset in while moving a valuable player out. If you want to give a 1st and a prospect for Brown, be my guest but your Koskinen cap dump should be aimed at Buffalo.

Im surprised you think Koskinen is a dump. His numbers are better then any sens the past 2 seasons. And he has 1 season left, not 3 or 4. Teams were just taking worse contracts (more expensive with same or longer term) for lesser returns. Heres looking at you Arizona and Edmonton 🤦‍♂️
Aug 4 at 12:18
#10
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Cole Harbour Boy
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Edited Aug 4 at 12:28
Quoting: Nhl_oilers
Ah the Koskinen debate…. Well you all know where I stand. Koskinen is meh, but overpaid. He needs to go. He makes a total of 4.5M for 1 year, and is a backup. Down below is his stats as an NHL goalie….. as you can see, he has never been the best NHL goalie, but he has been okay. Yes, our fan base is one of the worst, but there is a time that we need to win, and our time is now. We need a good starter. If we can get that, then I would have to say that we will be a good team this year. Comparing him to starters like Markstrom, Ullmark, etc is not fair, because he is simply not as good as they are, also, they played on way worse teams then Koskinen has. That will play with your stats a lot in my opinion, which is another reason why it’s not fair to compare. For example John Gibson, he has bad stats, because he plays on Anaheim, even though he is a top 5 goalie in the league in my opinion. Given Koskinen’s last 4 years, I think his 2019-2020 SV% was a fluke, because he has never been that good since. Anyway, goalies are voodoo, most will play good one game, and not so good the next. But is that the case for old Mikko…. I don’t know. He is okay, but you can’t say he is underrated, and you definitely can’t say he is anything other than an okay overpaid backup goalie.


2010-2011: NYI: 4GP, 2W, 1L, 4.33GAA, .873SV%
2018-2019: EDM: 55GP, 25W, 21L, 6OTL, 2.93GAA, .906SV%
2019-2020: EDM: 38GP, 18W, 13L, 3OTL, 2.75GAA, .917SV%
2020-2021: EDM: 26GP, 13W, 13L, 3.17GAA, .899SV%


Why you posted the 4 game cameo as a rookie is beyond me. Then his 1st year on north American ice in a decade should be taken with a grain of salt. If you exclude his overworked 13 game stretch to start last season, his numbers would look much similar to 2019-20. So what seasons were actually a fluke now? See what i did there. Easily reversed your entire debate. I think my version may be the one closer to the truth then yours. The 2018-19 Oilers were not very good. In fact our defense the past few seasons has been highly suspect defensively. I believe the better version of Koskinen is closer to what he actually is. What do you think he would of looked like behind Tampas Defence?
Aug 4 at 12:33
#11
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Cole Harbour Boy
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Quoting: TuckerPoolman
Trust me you don’t want Jordie Benn


Theres not much left. Go look at the free agents remaining and then click to see whos supporting the best plus/minus. Its Benn. I'm ok with him for a season, and some of the rookies like Broberg or Samorukov may push him out mid season anyway
Aug 4 at 12:35
#12
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Quoting: Nhl_oilers
Ah the Koskinen debate…. Well you all know where I stand. Koskinen is meh, but overpaid. He needs to go. He makes a total of 4.5M for 1 year, and is a backup. Down below is his stats as an NHL goalie….. as you can see, he has never been the best NHL goalie, but he has been okay. Yes, our fan base is one of the worst, but there is a time that we need to win, and our time is now. We need a good starter. If we can get that, then I would have to say that we will be a good team this year. Comparing him to starters like Markstrom, Ullmark, etc is not fair, because he is simply not as good as they are, also, they played on way worse teams then Koskinen has. That will play with your stats a lot in my opinion, which is another reason why it’s not fair to compare. For example John Gibson, he has bad stats, because he plays on Anaheim, even though he is a top 5 goalie in the league in my opinion. Given Koskinen’s last 4 years, I think his 2019-2020 SV% was a fluke, because he has never been that good since. Anyway, goalies are voodoo, most will play good one game, and not so good the next. But is that the case for old Mikko…. I don’t know. He is okay, but you can’t say he is underrated, and you definitely can’t say he is anything other than an okay overpaid backup goalie.


2010-2011: NYI: 4GP, 2W, 1L, 4.33GAA, .873SV%
2018-2019: EDM: 55GP, 25W, 21L, 6OTL, 2.93GAA, .906SV%
2019-2020: EDM: 38GP, 18W, 13L, 3OTL, 2.75GAA, .917SV%
2020-2021: EDM: 26GP, 13W, 13L, 3.17GAA, .899SV%


Your assumptions are WAY off. Anaheim, Buffalo and Vancouver (and Calgary) have not been markedly worse defensively than Edmonton, and yet those goalies are showing similar stats to Koskinen. You need to fact check yourself.

5v5 shots against per 60, 2019-20 - 2020-21 (rank is based on the top 35 goalies by TOI)
22. Markstrom: 30.65
23. Ullmark: 30.7
25. Gibson: 31.07
35. Koskinen: 32.34

5v5 High Danger shots against per 60, 2019-20 - 2020-21
7. Ullmark: 7.03
19. Markstrom: 7.68
29. Koskinen: 8.50
32. Gibson: 8.78

Koskinen actually faced the most shots of the four and had a lot of high danger chances against, too. So your whole premise is shot to pieces here. Now lets look at how each goalie fared.

5v5 save percentage, 2019-20 - 2020-21 (rank is based on the top 35 goalies by TOI)
3. Ullmark: .932
19. Markstrom: .921
25. Gibson: .916
27. Koskinen: .915

5v5 High Danger save percentage, 2019-20 - 2020-21
12. Koskinen: .833
20. Markstrom: .821
22. Ullmark: .819
24. Gibson: .814

Koskinen is certainly in the mix with these starters as far as his stats go. All these guys get paid more, too.
Aug 4 at 12:39
#13
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Quoting: Drai_By_shooting
I have zero problems doing that. The 2023 First rounder is MUCH more valuable with 2 potential Generational talents sitting at the top, in whats being deemed the deepest draft since McDavids in 2015. As for Yamamoto, id also gladly swap him. He got crushed in the playoffs by the big boys. I'd sooner keep the 6'4" fast, sharp shooter in Lavoie. Done. No take backs lol


Brown isn't a big guy and you also went out and got the 5'9 Hinostroza? If you're concerned about size being an issue you wouldn't have made either of those deals.
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Aug 4 at 12:40
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Quoting: Drai_By_shooting
Theres not much left. Go look at the free agents remaining and then click to see whos supporting the best plus/minus. Its Benn. I'm ok with him for a season, and some of the rookies like Broberg or Samorukov may push him out mid season anyway

I wouldn't be surprised if Samorukov won the 3LD job out of camp. But Tippett and Holland love Russell so there won't be any further acquisitions at LHD IMO.
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Aug 4 at 12:42
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Cole Harbour Boy
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Quoting: alpine4life
and that's a pretty solid NO from OTT...
You want C.Brown, we want Yamamoto AND Puljujärvi


I peed myself a bit. Thanks for the laugh
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Aug 4 at 12:45
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Quoting: Drai_By_shooting
I peed myself a bit. Thanks for the laugh


he was part of the "no touch" list that Garrioch published a couple months prior to the offseason (6 players) which constitute the core that they'll build around... Garrioch has pretty solid leaks coming from Ottawa management

FYI so your offer also laughable
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Aug 4 at 12:49
#17
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Quoting: Drai_By_shooting
I have zero problems doing that. The 2023 First rounder is MUCH more valuable with 2 potential Generational talents sitting at the top, in whats being deemed the deepest draft since McDavids in 2015. As for Yamamoto, id also gladly swap him. He got crushed in the playoffs by the big boys. I'd sooner keep the 6'4" fast, sharp shooter in Lavoie. Done. No take backs lol


1. "The 2023 First rounder is MUCH more valuable with 2 potential Generational talents sitting at the top, in whats being deemed the deepest draft since McDavids in 2015."


I'm not sure about that.

In order to get one of those "generational" talents, you would need to win the lottery first and that would most likely require tanking.

Edmonton hasn't picked in the Top 5 since 2016.

I will add that the 2022 1st having any lottery protection would be a deal breaker.



2. "As for Yamamoto, id also gladly swap him. He got crushed in the playoffs by the big boys. I'd sooner keep the 6'4" fast, sharp shooter in Lavoie."


If Yamamoto got crushed in the playoffs by the "big boys", coaching staff wouldn't have given him 35 minutes of ice time in the final playoff game against the Jets

Ottawa may not even make the playoffs this season, so your point could be pretty much moot.


Logan Brown was supposed to be this 6'6" centreman who excelled at both ends of the ice and assert dominance in the offensive zone.

Somewhat like what you're expecting Lavoie to become.

Turns out, it never happened frown
Aug 4 at 12:52
#18
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Quoting: CD282
I wouldn't be surprised if Samorukov won the 3LD job out of camp. But Tippett and Holland love Russell so there won't be any further acquisitions at LHD IMO.


Niemelainen is likely going to be in the mix as well, he had a very good year in Bakersfield and is built to play a shut-down role.
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Aug 4 at 12:53
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Cole Harbour Boy
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Quoting: alpine4life
he was part of the "no touch" list that Garrioch published a couple months prior to the offseason (6 players) which constitute the core that they'll build around... Garrioch has pretty solid leaks coming from Ottawa management

FYI so your offer also laughable


Perhaps but after Tkachuk and Batherson this offseason. Then Norris and Stutzle and the likes over the next 2 years. There wont be cash for Brown. Hes not getting younger and He will walk for nothing imho. Better to put pieces in place now to grow with the team. And in Yamamotos last 81 games since his callup Jan 1 2020 has 47 points. Hes not going for Brown. You know that, i know that.
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Aug 4 at 12:54
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Quoting: sensonfire
1. "The 2023 First rounder is MUCH more valuable with 2 potential Generational talents sitting at the top, in whats being deemed the deepest draft since McDavids in 2015."


I'm not sure about that.

In order to get one of those "generational" talents, you would need to win the lottery first and that would most likely require tanking.

Edmonton hasn't picked in the Top 5 since 2016.

I will add that the 2022 1st having any lottery protection would be a deal breaker.



2. "As for Yamamoto, id also gladly swap him. He got crushed in the playoffs by the big boys. I'd sooner keep the 6'4" fast, sharp shooter in Lavoie."


If Yamamoto got crushed in the playoffs by the "big boys", coaching staff wouldn't have given him 35 minutes of ice time in the final playoff game against the Jets

Ottawa may not even make the playoffs this season, so your point could be pretty much moot.


Logan Brown was supposed to be this 6'6" centreman who excelled at both ends of the ice and assert dominance in the offensive zone.

Somewhat like what you're expecting Lavoie to become.

Turns out, it never happened frown


Logan Brown and Lavoie have basically nothing in common. Lavoie is a pure sniper.
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Aug 4 at 1:00
#21
sensonfire
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Quoting: CD282
Logan Brown and Lavoie have basically nothing in common. Lavoie is a pure sniper.


My point is that Logan Brown was supposed to be this "big boy" that wouldn't get "crushed".

Something that happened to Yamamoto, according to Drai by shooting.


Whether Lavoie is a big boy that wouldn't get crushed in the playoffs remains to be seen.

Considering he's never played a single NHL game yet.
Aug 4 at 1:00
#22
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Cole Harbour Boy
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Quoting: sensonfire
1. "The 2023 First rounder is MUCH more valuable with 2 potential Generational talents sitting at the top, in whats being deemed the deepest draft since McDavids in 2015."


I'm not sure about that.

In order to get one of those "generational" talents, you would need to win the lottery first and that would most likely require tanking.

Edmonton hasn't picked in the Top 5 since 2016.

I will add that the 2022 1st having any lottery protection would be a deal breaker.



2. "As for Yamamoto, id also gladly swap him. He got crushed in the playoffs by the big boys. I'd sooner keep the 6'4" fast, sharp shooter in Lavoie."


If Yamamoto got crushed in the playoffs by the "big boys", coaching staff wouldn't have given him 35 minutes of ice time in the final playoff game against the Jets

Ottawa may not even make the playoffs this season, so your point could be pretty much moot.


Logan Brown was supposed to be this 6'6" centreman who excelled at both ends of the ice and assert dominance in the offensive zone.

Somewhat like what you're expecting Lavoie to become.

Turns out, it never happened frown


Lets be honest here, since his callup Jan1, 2020 Yamamoto has 47 points in 81 games. He wouldnt be in the trade. End of discussion. You know that, i know that. Hes a kid. Brown is not. Like i just posted. Brown will walk for nothing when ottawa cant afford his ask. With Tkachuk, Batherson, Norris and Stutzle and others needing contracts before and at the same time. Take the necessary growing puzzle pieces and move along. Plenty of others on this post and my other posts seem to think its just fine. Be realistic not a total fanboy. I honestly think if Dorion is presented with that offer (and you can keep forsberg), that he'd take it. I have no issues tossing in another smaller piece to push it through. But dont get crazy silly with the asks lol
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Aug 4 at 1:07
#23
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Cole Harbour Boy
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Quoting: CD282
Brown isn't a big guy and you also went out and got the 5'9 Hinostroza? If you're concerned about size being an issue you wouldn't have made either of those deals.


Well i was just going to put future considerations as the return lol and just clicked Vinny on my way out as a cheap return. Could of been a bucket of pucks for all i care
Aug 4 at 1:09
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That package doesn’t get you Connor Brown alone
Aug 4 at 1:12
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Cole Harbour Boy
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Quoting: IconicHawk
That package doesn’t get you Connor Brown alone


Thanks for tuning in and ruining my dreams Pierre Dorion
 
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