I think this is all way too much for subban.

I get that you want a good return for Subban but he really isnt good at this stage in his career and every trade you cited was either for a better player or a big overpayment. Subban was traded from nashville when he was a better player than he is now for two 2nds and two throwaway players, so why would he garner a 1st and a decent prospect now? Devils will get a 2nd, or a 3rd and a mediocre prospect for him.

You could retain 50%, still would not give you more than a 2nd and 4th. And you’d be taking Moore.

I hope Donny is smarter than the rumors.

Luckily B’s only have 1m in cap space.

I think the complication for trading Subban will be retaining 50% of salary still brings him down only to 4.5 mil. Finding a third party to take on 2.25 mil will be the trick in the Devils trading him this year. On the flip side, I fully expect the Devils to make a bit of a run this year for a Wildcard spot. Might as well use him as a rental.

Im hoping he will get a Risto type return but Subban will probably fetch a Greene type return

But Subban is getting way too much hate. He's obviously not his former self but he's still a solid defensemen. At 4.5M he has value. At 2.25M, it's great value. He's much better than people are making it out to be

2019 trade: 3 years x $9 million AVV, $26 million total in cash
vs.
2021 trade (50%): 1 year x $4.5 million AAV, $1 million in cash
2021 trade (25%): 1 year x $2.25 million AAV, $500k in cash

Also, Nashville dumped him because they had to extend Josi and wanted to sign Duchene....and only had $3 million in cap space



The Bruins comp had Subban at 75% retained costing 1st, 3rd, 4th (to third team).
I think that sounds about right to me, especially if Moore is added.



I think Devils end up keeping him as well.
The money is all paid out, only making $2 million in real money, so its kind of a cheap rental to keep him (renting from ourselves).

NJD could even re-sign him for a year, maybe two while our young guys make their way up to NHL.

Toronto doesn’t have the cap space to get Subban and it would be foolish to pay the price of retention that it would take to make that contract work. Toronto declines.

Agree with that. I'd hope for Risto package, but I expect something like....

TOR: Koster, 2nd for Subban (50% retained)
BOS: Berglund, 2nd, 5th for Subban (75% retained, 5th to third team)

Do these comps include a time machine to make pk 6 years younger?

He’s slow, defensive liability, pain in the ass in locker room, overpaid with 50% retention.

I don’t want him at all, does not fit a need. Don’t know what they are thinking.

Should be going after Chychrun if available, don’t believe the rumors. Hertl. And Logan Brown.

Rumor i heard was Debrusk/Moore for PK with 25% retention. Garbage.

No, the time machine costs extra.

I would do this trade for Subban as a Toronto fan. Only issue is that it would be extremely difficult to fit him in at $4.5M. His actual dollars that he is owed are very little so it could be pretty attractive for a third party team to join the trade and retain $2.25M for a 4th/5th or a player like Engvall to relive cap space for us.

Hasn't been a pain in the ass in Devils locker room.
He isn't the 24-year old Norris-winning-Subban from 2013.
More similar to the 29-year old Norris-runner-up from 2018 with less time on power play.

I hadn't heard the Debrusk/Moore rumor.

He was run out of two cities for being a douche. IDC if he’s grown up a bit or just doesn’t care playing for a bad team. Not a headache i want.

He’s note even close to 29 year 2018 guy. Upgrade over Clifton, sure. Don’t need though. They have needs, this isn’t one.

I agree that this contract will be easy to find a third party to pay $500k (or even less at deadline) for a pick.

As a Devils fan, I'd propose something like Mike Koster or Topi Niemela + 2nd (+ 5th going to third party for extra retention).

He may have run his way out of Montreal.
But was dealt from Nashville for cap reasons.
And has been part of Devils leadership group, and has been positive influence on locker room.

There were issues in the Preds locker, same as in Montreal, fight with a teammate. Disruptive. Team was sick of it.

He's not that slow, barely overpaid at 50% as a rental, definitely not a locker room cancer, not a defensive liability. Ive watched him play in NJ the last 2 years. He's way better than people are making it out to be

I know the Bruins dont need Subban and Bruins fans hate Subban but your opinion on Subban is completely off.

Koster sure, Niemelä no chance. He is someone we see becoming a nice puck moving #4 guy next to a solid defensive defenseman.

Done. I prefer Koster over Niemela.

I don’t hate him. And I don’t agree. And people in the industry don’t either. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Fans never want to think the worst or even negative of their players. Sharks fans kept saying Evander Kane was model citizen every time someone mentioned his issues. Oops.

I don’t want him anywhere near my locker room at any cost. It’s that simple. Let someone else take the risk. If it works for them great. I won’t feel as if I missed out.