lol yeah im sure the market was so terrible that TOR was the only team bidding on him. Do you read the stuff you write before sending out into the world? honestly asking. you also have yet to make a logical reason why he;s not worth that amount besides age where just as early as last year a team paid 1st for a player older lol. again logic is missing

pace and actuals are not the exact same thing. for example jake debrusk is a 40 point 25 goal scorer. he has hit those actual milestones in his career. I cannot say jake debrusk is a 30 goal scorer or that he is a 50 point player (18-19 was on pace for both of those) because he did not actually hit those benchmarks. eller has never crossed the 40 point threshold. the last 2 years his pace would have put him above 40 but he still never hit it.

oh ...quote me where i said Eller was a 40point player? i believe i just did his ppg x 82gp. pace and actual are def different you said / maybe accidentally said pace and actual pace. last 2 years you would have to go by pace bc of the abbreviated seasons.

Edit:: i reread this thread that my mistake i misread ... my bad lol

Eller would be an upgrade for the Wild considering who they have playing center and is honestly an underrated player, the only thing is I don't think the Wild are in a position to give up 1st round picks right now. They were in a good position to make a run last year given the playoff format and did nothing at the deadline. Guerin seems to be working to make the team younger, unless the veteran costs nothing but cap space to acquire (Goligoski and Kulikov).

Weren't you using this as an argument for Greenway being worth a 1st+? lol

Nobody’s giving a 1st for Ellet rn….

At the trade deadline for a contending team who knows that it’s a good chance they pick 20-30th would do it

oh i agree. people in this thread where acting like the capitals were trading Hags or Dowd for a 1st round pick. i said its completely possible for him to get a 1st round pick. i also showed the last 2 years of Eller vs Dvorak (1st commenters team) and EK (the team he was going to) Eller looked like the better player imo based off stats not age.

THANK YOU!!!! that was my point this entire thread. I said its very possible to get a 1st for Eller. NF got a 1st last year people act like Eller is Jay Beagle or that its impossible to get a late 1st for a reliable 2 way center.

i personal would only trade him if we were going to miss playoffs or if there was a big injury on defense and we could do a 1 for 1 like if Seattle was willing to part with Dunn and we could work a deal surrounding the 2 of them

GMs trade 1st round picks for lesser players all the time if they think that's the missing piece to get their team over the hump. I'd think a lot of GMs would love Eller on their team because you can trust him to take a defensive zone draw in a tight game and if you're missing a top 6 center, he can move up in a pinch. His cap hit isn't bad either, so if a team thinks their window is this year or next, he'd be a good target.

I mean the last 2 seasons that have been cut short he has been on a over 40 point pace, in fact 39 in 69 before COVID, plus how cheap his deal is I can see a team like Minnesota/ a center needing team adding him

i would put lars value at 2x2nds,

He isn't as young as Dvorak, is the player he is at 32 and at 25 there is more growth potential in dvorak, dvorak is currently better in pts, face off %, shooting % and speed.

lars cost less for the next two years is a Plus on his side and has cup experiance.

At 2x2 you get back what you paid for him but he doesn't have the same value as Dvorak. I do think he is undervalued by people who don't know him and I would take him back to MTL in a heartbeat to play 3c at that price if we had cap room

Barclay was on pace for 32 points. 51.74CF% 52.00FF% 49.21xgf% when Tampa paid a 1st for him. i agree with you completely

i could get on board with this logic. i would saying a late 1st or a 2nd + prospect. 2x2 is basically the same thing

this doesn't make WSH a better team in a win now mode.

again actual vs pace. 39 in 69 is exactly that its a 46 point pace but its not an actual. his actual was 39. you typically dont pay for pace. like if a guy was hurt all year and went into contract negotiations he isnt saying well i was on pace for a 90 point year... you dont know the outcome of the remaining unplayed games. thats the only point im really bringing up.

commenting towards minnesota needing a center. Ide argue they need a 2nd line center. Eller is borderline and i dont think he would excel in that role with minny. I also dont see minny being good this year, the short year was a flash in the pan. i got them like 6th in their own division. adding eller wont change that.

edit: although no cap space... adding kuzy might^

I understand your pace arguement but when youre literally 1 point away from it an a global pandemic comes in im pretty sure you can say hes a 40 point player, but im the opposite on Minnesota think they will finish 2-3 in the central this year

how does your central standings go? I got Aves, jets, blues, stars, hawks, wild, preds yotes. Hawks and stars will both be playoff teams.

Avs, Jets/Wild, Stars, Blues, Hawks, Preds, Yotes

I'd rather take a low return on Kuznetsov to a western conference team. Lapierre and McMichael both have top-6 ability/upside on entry level contracts which is extremely valuable for a team that spends to the cap. Eller is a top-10 3rd line center and he and Dowd excelled as the centers on last years 5th ranked PK units.