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How does JBB handle this

Created by: Jukinators
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 19, 2021
Published: Oct. 19, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Tampa Bay Lightning
Team Explanation
Tampa is in a tough spot here as having perry on the first line is not ideal, but kucherov isn’t gonna be out long enough to squire someone with a huge cap hit as people have been suggesting. So the question is how will they handle this
Trades
1.
TBL
  1. Eichel, Jack ($2,000,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Ik Buffalo doesn’t wanna retain but if Tampa is gonna get eichel they can’t afford 10 million dollars worth of him
BUF
  1. Goncalves, Gage
  2. Killorn, Alex
  3. Cirelli, Anthony
  4. 2022 1st round pick (TBL)
  5. 2024 2nd round pick (TBL)
Additional Details:
Tampa is gonna have to send a lot to get eichel none the less to get retention. Buffalo has said they want young prospects (cirelli and gage) but also a developed roster player (killorn). Also no other team is gonna retain as he still has 5 years left so that’s out of the question
2.
TBL
  1. Kempe, Adrian ($1,000,000 retained)
LAK
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (TBL)
  2. 2024 1st round pick (TBL)
Buyouts
  • Vincent Lecavalier: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
TBL
TBL
DET
TBL
NYR
2023
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
ANA
2024
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$79,640,955$145,122$0$1,859,045
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TBL
Palat, Ondrej
$5,300,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TBL
Point, Brayden
$6,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 6
LAK
Kempe, Adrian
$1,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$8,000,000
C
UFA - 5
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
$8,500,000
RW, C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
TBL
Maroon, Patrick
$900,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TBL
Colton, Ross
$1,125,000
C
RFA - 2
TBL
Perry, Corey
$1,000,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TBL
Joseph, Mathieu
$737,500
C, LW, RW
RFA - 1
TBL
Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
$1,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
TBL
Katchouk, Boris
$758,333
LW
RFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TBL
Hedman, Victor
$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TBL
Cernak, Erik
$2,950,000
RD
RFA - 2
TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
$9,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 5
TBL
Rutta, Jan
$1,300,000
RD
UFA - 1
TBL
Elliott, Brian
$900,000
G
UFA - 1
TBL
Sergachev, Mikhail
$4,800,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
TBL
Foote, Cal
$850,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TBL
Seabrook, Brent
$6,875,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 3
TBL
Bogosian, Zach
$850,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
Taxi Squad
TBL
Raddysh, Taylor
$758,333 ($0)
RW
RFA - 3

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Oct. 19 at 11:34 a.m.
#1
DmitryCoolikovinsta
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cirelli isn't a prospect.....
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Oct. 19 at 11:34 a.m.
#2
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If BUF is retaining 10 Mil you're gonna be adding at least 2 more firsts
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Oct. 19 at 11:36 a.m.
#3
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I can't see that being a package that entices Buffalo at all.

And the Kings certainly aren't sending out a top 6 player for draft picks 3 drafts out.
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Oct. 19 at 11:37 a.m.
#4
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Quoting: DmitryCoolikov_On_INSTAGRAM
cirelli isn't a prospect.....


Cirelli is a young 24 year old foward which should be exactly what Buffalo is looking for
Oct. 19 at 11:38 a.m.
#5
OnALongPathTo1-1
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Quoting: Jukinators
Cirelli is a young 24 year old foward which should be exactly what Buffalo is looking for


Yea, buffalo said they where looking for you NHLers and prospects not prospects and developed roster players. Killorn holds 0 value in an Eichel trade.
Oct. 19 at 11:39 a.m.
#6
DmitryCoolikovinsta
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Quoting: Jukinators
Cirelli is a young 24 year old foward which should be exactly what Buffalo is looking for


ya. not a prospect.
Oct. 19 at 11:42 a.m.
#7
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As much as it isn;t going to be BUF and Eichel, I cant see TB moving Cirelli AND 2 1sts and 2 2nds, you are creating a huge problem in the future where you'll need some ELC and youth. I mean look at those draft picks! Youre kind of killing the youth system for 2023-2026 and you're not even looking at deadline deals or possibly other injuries.

I think they might have to go another way, and maybe move a dman to fix the offense. But then some of the dmen are too expensive for most.

Wouldn;t a Cernak, RD 2.95mil bring back a top 6 winger who is cost controlled and young?

I mean these are rough ideas, and PHI has Ellis and Ristolenin but wouldn;t a Cernak for Koneckny type deal be better for TB than gutting the system. Or a cirelli and cernak to TOR for Nylander and Holl.

Or TB makes a few small moves and just takes their lumps until Kucherov returns?
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Oct. 19 at 11:46 a.m.
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Edited Oct. 19 at 12:29 p.m.
God hopefully it's not anything close to this TB doesn't need want or able to afford Eichel cap hit The Kings trade is doable I really don't see TB trading off the active roster.
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Oct. 19 at 11:50 a.m.
#9
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Quoting: Hammerwise
As much as it isn;t going to be BUF and Eichel, I cant see TB moving Cirelli AND 2 1sts and 2 2nds, you are creating a huge problem in the future where you'll need some ELC and youth. I mean look at those draft picks! Youre kind of killing the youth system for 2023-2026 and you're not even looking at deadline deals or possibly other injuries.

I think they might have to go another way, and maybe move a dman to fix the offense. But then some of the dmen are too expensive for most.

Wouldn;t a Cernak, RD 2.95mil bring back a top 6 winger who is cost controlled and young?

I mean these are rough ideas, and PHI has Ellis and Ristolenin but wouldn;t a Cernak for Koneckny type deal be better for TB than gutting the system. Or a cirelli and cernak to TOR for Nylander and Holl.

Or TB makes a few small moves and just takes their lumps until Kucherov returns?


This is what I was looking for this armchair gm wasn’t supposed to be made serious I was just wondering Tampa’s option, however there aren’t a lot of coast controlled fowards around anymore besides the ones on elf’s. Thank you for actually reading the description
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Oct. 19 at 12:40 p.m.
#10
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
Yea, buffalo said they where looking for you NHLers and prospects not prospects and developed roster players. Killorn holds 0 value in an Eichel trade.


I would agree that Killorn doesn't have a ton of value, but he's a good player and has plenty of flippable value. If you retain 1/2 at the deadline he could probably get a 1st. At absolute worst a 2nd+.

Then again both teams decline, so it doesn't really matter
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Oct. 19 at 12:46 p.m.
#11
Boi
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Way too much for eichel. Sabers refuse to disclose his medical records so no team should even try trading until they are disclosed but either way this trade does way more bad for tampa than good
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Oct. 19 at 1:09 p.m.
#12
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Killorn doesn't waive for Buffalo so the discussion ends there. Really it's really not cap compliant, and what happens next season with Point and his 3m raise.
Oct. 19 at 2:43 p.m.
#13
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Way too much for eichel. Sabers refuse to disclose his medical records so no team should even try trading until they are disclosed but either way this trade does way more bad for tampa than good


I mean its not, but to each their own. Sabres gave eichels agent permission to facilitate a trade by releasing records weeks ago.
Oct. 19 at 4:54 p.m.
#14
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Tampa’s cap issues are not buffalo’s problem. They are probably not interested in paying the price to get Jack Eichel, so it’s pretty much a moot point. Tampa needs their young and inexpensive players to finish filling out the roster because they have so many top-heavy contracts. The only difference between Tampa and Toronto is Tampa wins.
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Oct. 24 at 12:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Tjm220
Tampa’s cap issues are not buffalo’s problem. They are probably not interested in paying the price to get Jack Eichel, so it’s pretty much a moot point. Tampa needs their young and inexpensive players to finish filling out the roster because they have so many top-heavy contracts. The only difference between Tampa and Toronto is Tampa wins.


Massive difference
Oct. 24 at 2:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
Massive difference

Was anyone disputing that? The structure of the roster is essentially the same. Tampa just invested their money better than Toronto did. Of course they spent a lot more, and they have the advantage of being a tax haven. 🤷‍♂️
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Oct. 24 at 2:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Tjm220
Was anyone disputing that? The structure of the roster is essentially the same. Tampa just invested their money better than Toronto did. Of course they spent a lot more, and they have the advantage of being a tax haven. 🤷‍♂️


Conversely Toronto players can make far more in endorsements than Lightning players
Oct. 24 at 5:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
Conversely Toronto players can make far more in endorsements than Lightning players

Sure Toronto is a major metropolitan market. But when you win your star players get a lot more endorsement money. But the average hockey fan probably can’t name more than 3 Lightning players.
Oct. 24 at 5:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Tjm220
Sure Toronto is a major metropolitan market. But when you win your star players get a lot more endorsement money. But the average hockey fan probably can’t name more than 3 Lightning players.


DO you think the average hockey fan is a complete moron? Seriously Hedman Stamkos Kucherov Point Vasileskiy wouldn't just come right to the " average hockey fans mind? Are you kidding me ?; Each of those guys are Superstars
Oct. 24 at 5:16 p.m.
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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
DO you think the average hockey fan is a complete moron? Seriously Hedman Stamkos Kucherov Point Vasileskiy wouldn't just come right to the " average hockey fans mind? Are you kidding me ?;

The average hockey fan probably doesn’t watch that many Tampa Bay games. The only games of yours they see are national broadcasts. Tampa is a secondary metropolitan market no matter how good their team is. The Rangers are always stuffed down America’s throat even if they suck.
Oct. 24 at 5:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Tjm220
The average hockey fan probably doesn’t watch that many Tampa Bay games. The only games of yours they see are national broadcasts. Tampa is a secondary metropolitan market no matter how good their team is. The Rangers are always stuffed down America’s throat even if they suck.


They are the back to back Stanley Cup champs meaning they the last 2 seasons were the only game in town
Oct. 24 at 5:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Tjm220
The average hockey fan probably doesn’t watch that many Tampa Bay games. The only games of yours they see are national broadcasts. Tampa is a secondary metropolitan market no matter how good their team is. The Rangers are always stuffed down America’s throat even if they suck.


Let's see a former Norris, Hart Vezina Rocket Richard trophy winners and one of the best players under 25 in the league
Oct. 24 at 5:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
They are the back to back Stanley Cup champs meaning they the last 2 seasons were the only game in town

You mean the only game in Tampa? Which isn’t even accurate because the Bucs just won the Super Bowl. Try asking a hockey fan in Nashville to name players on the Tampa Bay Lightning. Most fans really only watch one team, and if your team isn’t a division rival they don’t spend a lot of time familiarizing themselves with your roster.

The most important distinction here is average hockey fan versus avid hockey fan. The average hockey fan doesn’t watch most games if their team is not playing. They don’t spend money on hockey video games they might play and otherwise learn about other teams’ players. They are the people who post “who?“ on Twitter every time their team makes a trade for a player they aren’t familiar with, which is just about everybody who doesn’t play for their own team. Are there more avid hockey fans than average ones? in Canada yes, and in places where they grew up watching and playing the game. Not in the United States as a whole at least, not yet. It’s beginning to change though.
Oct. 24 at 5:29 p.m.
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Edited Oct. 24 at 5:34 p.m.
Quoting: Tjm220
You mean the only game in Tampa? Which isn’t even accurate because the Bucs just won the Super Bowl. Try asking a hockey fan in Nashville to name players on the Tampa Bay Lightning. Most fans really only watch one team, and if your team isn’t a division rival they don’t spend a lot of time familiarizing themselves with your roster.

The most important distinction here is average hockey fan versus avid hockey fan. The average hockey fan doesn’t watch most games if their team is not playing. They don’t spend money on hockey video games they might play and otherwise learn about other teams’ players. They are the people who post “who?“ on Twitter every time their team makes a trade for a player they aren’t familiar with, which is just about everybody who doesn’t play for their own team. Are there more avid hockey fans than average ones? in Canada yes, and in places where they grew up watching and playing the game. Not in the United States as a whole at least, not yet. It’s beginning to change though.

No I don't. the average hockey fan doesn't watch the conference finals and Stanley Cup? Really ? That's a ludicrous statement. Couldn't disagree with you more!!
Even most mon hockey fans know Kucherov if only for #1 bull****
Oct. 24 at 5:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Boltsbeathabs
No I don't do the average hockey fan doesn't watch the conference finals and Stanley Cup? Really ? That's a ludicrous statement

They probably watch a handful of games, mostly not paying that much attention. I’ll bet a lot of markets have the game on but people are too busy staring at their phones. They’ll see the highlights when the game is over if they care. Maybe by the end of the series they’ve heard the names enough to say “ oh, I’ve heard that name before.“ Then before next season they’ve forgotten all of it, because they didn’t really care all that much in the first place. Why? Because it wasn’t their team playing for the Cup.
 
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