Is this a fair price for Eichel laundering

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Created by: Jrader17

Team: 2021-22 Arizona Coyotes

Initial Creation Date: Oct. 31, 2021

Published: Nov. 1, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Trades

ARI

Eichel, Jack
Rousek, Lukas
2022 1st round pick (FLA)

Additional Details:

Eichel to the Yotes with the understanding he will be flipped at 50% retained. The retention means Buffalo is going to get a HAUL, and 5 mil per over 5 years is heavy retention so the Coyotes get a sweetender of Rousek (who isn't a top 15 sabres prospect but is an interesting flier and Fla 1st which is looking like it might be #32 anyways)

BUF

2023 7th round pick (VAN)

ARI

Barron, Justin
Jost, Tyson
Kaut, Martin
MacDonald, Jacob
Newhook, Alex
Olausson, Oskar
2023 1st round pick (COL)
2023 3rd round pick (COL)

Additional Details:

Given the way Byram is playing I don't see the Avs doing that.. but the Sabres will still get a shit load from this and the Coyotes get some real nice stuff from the Avs for retaining a massive amount on Eichel and sending them a very underrated and good player in Johan Larsson.

COL

Eichel, Jack ($5,000,000 retained)
Larsson, Johan

ARI

Buffalo gets an absolute blue chip center prospect in Newhook, and the Avs other 2 most recent 1st round selections in Olausson (2021) and Barron (2020).. they also get 2023 Col 1st and 2023 Col 3rd.

That's an absolute load of a deal.

For their troubles Coyotes keep Kaut who is 22 and nearing the end of his life cycle as a "prospect" but he'll get a shot in AZ. MacDonald was on waivers to start the year and is only up due to injuries.. he's got good underlyings he's a "why not" for AZ. The real value to the Yotes is Jost who has tons of pedigree and despite playing on a top team hasn't popped as a pro. Similar to Kaut he'll get a real shot in AZ.

Meanwhile - post surgery and come playoff time the Avs down the middle are gonna go Mac, Eichel, Kadri, Larrson which is insane.

Projected top 9 when healthy is:
Landy - Mac - Rant
Compher - Eichel - Burky
Raanta - Kadri - Nichushkin

Wow.

BUF

Barron, Justin
Newhook, Alex
Olausson, Oskar
2023 1st round pick (COL)
2023 3rd round pick (COL)

ARI

2022 2nd round pick (VGK)

VGK

Kessel, Phil ($3,400,000 retained)

Buyouts

Michael Grabner: $1,258,333

Retained Salary Transactions

Oliver Ekman-Larsson: $990,000 (12%)
Darcy Kuemper: $1,000,000 (22.22%)
Jack Eichel: $5,000,000 (50%)
Phil Kessel: $3,400,000 (50%)

Buried

Loui Eriksson: $4,875,000 ($6,000,000)
Antoine Roussel: $1,875,000 ($3,000,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$74,501,117	$196,951	$3,240,000	$6,998,883

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Crouse, Lawson $1,533,333$1,533,333 LW, RW UFA - 1	Schmaltz, Nick $5,850,000$5,850,000 RW, C UFA - 5	Keller, Clayton $7,150,000$7,150,000 LW, RW UFA - 7
Jaskin, Dmitrij $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Hayton, Barrett $894,167$894,167 ($2,150,000$2M) C, LW RFA - 1	Galchenyuk, Alex $750,000$750,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 1
Dzingel, Ryan $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW, C UFA - 1	Jost, Tyson $2,000,000$2,000,000 C UFA - 2	Kaut, Martin $863,333$863,333 ($425,000$425K) RW RFA - 2
	O'Brien, Liam $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Fischer, Christian $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Ladd, Andrew $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Chychrun, Jakob $4,600,000$4,600,000 LD/RD UFA - 4	Strålman, Anton $5,500,000$5,500,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Vejmelka, Karel $842,500$842,500 ($82,500$82K) G UFA - 1
Gostisbehere, Shayne $4,500,000$4,500,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Söderström, Victor $863,333$863,333 ($500,000$500K) RD RFA - 3	Prosvetov, Ivan $809,167$809,167 ($82,500$82K) G UFA - 1
MacDonald, Jacob $725,000$725,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Lyubushkin, Ilya $1,350,000$1,350,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Beagle, Jay $3,000,000$3,000,000 C M-NTC UFA - 1	Timmins, Conor $850,000$850,000 RD RFA - 2
Boyd, Travis $750,000$750,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Capobianco, Kyle $775,000$775,000 LD UFA - 1
	Hutton, Carter $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1

Nov. 1, 2021 at 3:53 p.m.

Caerii

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So the Coyotes retain 5M for five years for the price of... a late 1st, Martin Kaut and Tyson Jost?

Yeah that's an easy no.

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Nov. 1, 2021 at 3:53 p.m.

coga16

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avs are not touching that deal with a 10 foot pole

Nov. 1, 2021 at 3:56 p.m.

Shibbal18

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If Buffalo is going to get a haul, why didnt you show that here

Nov. 1, 2021 at 3:59 p.m.

Borocop

Au-revoir Dorion

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buffalo was always going to get a good haul but getting Arizona to eat 25m worth of salary over 5 years and cap hit is worth way more than a late first. Maybe a late 1st or second for each year but not 1 total

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Nov. 1, 2021 at 4:03 p.m.

UpsideDownQue

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Quoting: coga16

avs are not touching that deal with a 10 foot pole

For a 50% retained Eichel? That's a very good deal. Maybe add some conditions based on Eichels health but even if he's 80% of the player he was before this is a great deal. 5 years at 5M is a steal of a contract

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Nov. 1, 2021 at 4:08 p.m.

coga16

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Quoting: UpsideDownQue

5 1st round pick prospects and a 1st rounder is wreckless

I dont touch that, bc you kill the full pipeline and you have absolutely no one to fill out the rest of the roster, so you have to go out and sign depth guys, you arent getting ELC benefits on anything anmyore.

the benefits of eichels savings is gone bc now you are over paying on UFA depth signings to fill roles you had those guys to fill. So no future or youth coming in and you are over pay througth out the rest of the roster or signings awful playetrs at league min.

Nov. 1, 2021 at 4:14 p.m.

Caerii

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Quoting: coga16

Let's not act like Jost and Kaut will be meaningful losses here. Newhook, Olausson, Barron and a 1st is still a steep price, but calling Jost and Kaut 1st round prospects is just disingenuous.

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Nov. 1, 2021 at 4:18 p.m.

coga16

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Quoting: Caerii

Let's not act like Jost and Kaut will be meaningful losses here. Newhook, Olausson, Barron and a 1st is still a steep price, but calling Jost and Kaut 1st round prospects is just disingenuous.

lets not act like they arent useful players that fill a role and need ont he team, get rid of them and you have to replace them at double the costs in UFA or promoting worse plyers for those spots

Nov. 1, 2021 at 4:19 p.m.

Caerii

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Quoting: coga16

lets not act like they arent useful players that fill a role and need ont he team, get rid of them and you have to replace them at double the costs in UFA or promoting worse plyers for those spots

That doesn't have anything to do with the conversation to this point, but they're bottom six players, so it shouldn't be difficult to do.

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Nov. 1, 2021 at 4:19 p.m.

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coga16

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Quoting: Caerii

That doesn't have anything to do with the conversation to this point, but they're bottom six players, so it shouldn't be difficult to do.

it 100% has to do with the conversation but you do you dude,

Nov. 1, 2021 at 4:20 p.m.

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gary_bettman

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Jack Eichel is not Mario Lemieux. Jack Eichel has a herniated disc and will barely play this year if at all. This is a major overpay for Jack Eichel (not Mario Lemieux)

Nov. 1, 2021 at 4:22 p.m.

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Caerii

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Quoting: coga16

it 100% has to do with the conversation but you do you dude,

Having to replace them has nothing to do with them being first round prospects or not. You have to replace anyone you trade, that's how it works.

Nov. 1, 2021 at 4:34 p.m.

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coga16

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Quoting: Caerii

Having to replace them has nothing to do with them being first round prospects or not. You have to replace anyone you trade, that's how it works.

You really dont get this at all, im tried of your nonsense and looking for semantics and missing the big picture without understanding who these players are currently are on the avs in their roles and what they do

Nov. 1, 2021 at 4:36 p.m.

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UpsideDownQue

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Quoting: coga16

They move out 4 ELCs but the 5M retained on Eichel more than makes up for that imo. Plus those ELCs dont last forever, Newhook and Kaut have 2 years left and Barron and Olausson have 3 (maybe more for Olausson with an ELC slide) while the Eichel retention lasts for 5 years. Its not like they have no other prospects besides those 4. They will already have Ranta and Byram as ELCs remaining on the roster and have the ability to call up Bowers, Foudy, Beaucage, etc over the next couple years. Also Helleson assuming he signs and Maltsev who wont be on an ELC but will still be a cheap contract.

It does put a pretty big dent in the prospect pipeline, which probably wont look very good 5 years from now, but for the next 5 years it gives the Avs a better team and a better chance at the cup imo

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Nov. 1, 2021 at 4:43 p.m.

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coga16

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Quoting: UpsideDownQue

I think its just very wrekcless and a massive overpayment in terms of prospects here. They build up all that talent and depth for....1 more year bc the MackInnon contract is coming, which compounds the avs cap and roster issues if have 0 ELC guys ready to fill spots.

I really do believe that how you kill the avs cup window

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Nov. 1, 2021 at 4:56 p.m.

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Sabresforlife

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A haul for the Sabres? The trade basically comes down to Eichel for Newhook The Florida 1st cancels out the year later Colorado first and 3rd - Rousek is interesting as you say (is very quick but skates weird) and at least cancels the 7th - So going to my handy dandy prospect site Newhook is the best piece coming back likely to be a solid 2C or if develops strength and defense maybe a 1C, Barron a third pairing D-man, Olausson a middle six forward- also this trade puts the Sabres way under the Salary cap floor.

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Nov. 1, 2021 at 5:12 p.m.

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rollie1967

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Getting Eichel at $5mil for 5 years would be fantastic, even if it means dumping kadri a year later to make room for MacKinnons new deal, this gives Colorado 5 great years to compete (dont forget Erik Johnsons $6mil per is coming off the books soon).

Arizona eating $5mil for 5 years is a tough choice though, thats a lot for them to eat in real dollars, even though the cap space wont be an issue for a few years at least. If the owner can stomach eating that- not sure if the player return is enough- Jost doesnt look like he will be top 6, and Kaut I have no clue on. Floridas 1st looks like its going to be a late one.

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Nov. 1, 2021 at 10:12 p.m.

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Xqb15a

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Quoting: coga16

This. That trade empties absolutely empties the farm system, not to mention no 1st rd picks till 2024, a mega deal for MacKinnon, and a contract for a starting goalie. No thanks.

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