Bergeron over MAF. Have you seen maf play this year?

Scheifele and Hamilton both in competition with Huberdeau but I think I agree with you

2006 is tough: Toews, Nik Backstrom and Giroux.

I'd have to go with Toews, but Giroux is the better pt producer

Kucherov in that 11 draft also

you picked makar over pettersson?


also i'd def put spezza over anderson

yeah because the first 6 games in one season completely nullifies his entire career lmfao.
3 cups, 1 vezina, 1 jennings, 3rd all time in goalie wins, and a future hall of famer, but because hes had a mediocre start with chicago at the age of 36, he's a terrible goalie.. gotcha

Fleury has been a mediocre goalie throughout the majority of his career. Cups (two he finished as backup) and wins are teams' achievements. There are reasons why Fleury has finished once in 17 years in the top3 for the Vezina.

I'd tend to agree with you on Spezza but I would take Makar 100 times out of 100 over Petterson. Petterson is special, not to sell him short, Makar is just clearly better imo

I read the post as where they are today.

But if we're comparing careers I would put a bunch of people ahead of MAF. Weber, Bergeron, Getzlaf

Than its definitely Kuch! Good catch!

no its just the overall best players from each draft that's still playing.

also i dont know how you would name a bunch of players ahead of those four, i can think of like three who would maybe be in the conversation

Bergeron and Kucherov are definitely missing. They should replace there drafts.

Kucherov is arguably the best winger in the league and Bergeron is a easy HOF’er. If Bergeron gets another Selke he cements his name deeper in history.

I suppose we read the post differently re their career vs now.

I don't understand your comment re those "four". I am saying I think Bergeron, Getlzaf and Weber all were better than MAF.

I hate this as a Leafs fan, but I honestly think Bergeron was the third best forward of his generation (roughly those drafted in the 2000's). Its Crosby and Ovi first, but I really think its between him and Malkin for three. His defensive prowess is literally THAT good.

Only people ahead of him on the HOF from that class of guys is Crosby and Ovi, I would never put Malkin before Bergeron imo (and I know Malkins stats are insane).

Patrice winning even just 1 more Selke would add to the case to rename the award after him in the future.

ohhh i thought u meant you could name a bunch of ppl better than MAF, Bergeron, Getzlaf, and Weber, didn't read it right. I'd consider Bergeron and Getzlaf, but I still think MAF is the best of the three. Yes, Fleury has have a bad few games with Chicago, but 6 games does not outweigh the extraordinary career he's had. Since I'd say 2007-08, he's consistently been one of the best goalies in the NHL, he's 3rd all time in wins, won 3 cups with Pittsburgh, and has been ridiculously good in Vegas, winning a Vezina and a Jennings. Yes, Shea Weber has been really good, but he's never really been that top defenseman in the league. Getzlaf has the same problem imo, he's never really been dominant. I can definitely see the argument for Bergeron, he's possibly the best defensive forward in history, but I'm still leaning towards Fleury.

eh id go with malkin over bergeron. i feel like malkin's always been hurt by playing with crosby, people underrate him a bit.

MAF was literally never top 5 in Vezina voting in his entire career in Pittsburgh. He only even got votes twice (10/11 and 11/12 he was 8th and 7th). Wasn't until he got to Vegas that he started getting votes.

He was only a Vezina finalist the one time that he won it.

Wins is a team accomplishment as much as goalie, and he only won one cup as a playing goaltender. What he has been is a very good, but not great goaltender, who has had incredible longevity. Its interesting you compare him to Weber who you say never was that top defenseman in the league when he certainly was way higher at his peak than Price.

From 08/09 to 14/15 he was the following in Norris voting
4th
7th
2nd
2nd
8th
3rd
4th

Sure he never won it, but he was a perennial favourite. (he was then 10th and 6th after)

MAF is more what you describe Weber as

he's gotten cllose a few times, but he's never been a dominant defenseman for long enough. had he been a clear contender for more than a handful of seasons maybe this would be different.

"wins is a team accompllishment as much as goalie" thats not really true, wins is a very good reference of where a goalie is at. being 3rd in wins just behind brodeur, roy, and ahead of the likes of luongo, belfour and lundqvist is a clear sign of him being a great goalie. weber's never won any major awards, he's got a career high of 56 pts, which is far behind the totals for some of the other dmen of his generation, and he's had pretty limited playoff success. yes he's had some high scoring seasons goals wise, but he hasn't been good enough to be in this conversation. he'll probably miss out on the hall of fame too.