Mrazek isn't worth his cap hit

At this point I’d say no. But if he bounces back? My concern is if Campbell keeps playing as he is and barring an injury, he won’t really get a chance to prove he can bounce back. If he goes somewhere else he can play more and be in the 1A 1B role, or even solid starter.

Mrazek played in Carolina behind a top 5 defense. He's simply not a true starter or 1A, he's simply a backup. In a flat cap world, a almost $4M cap hit for a backup is a luxury not many teams want.

I think if I recall there was a fallout between Holland and Mrazek in Detroit so because of that the oilers decline aside from everything else.

What Edmonton needs is stability and certainty in net. Mrazek isn't quite that.

Hmmm. Hard to argue against or for you a on this. From games I’ve watched Mrazek I’ve thought he’s quite solid. But I do agree that a goalie can be inflated by the defensive system in front of him.

I don’t see why Edmonton goes for Mrazek at 3.5M for 2 more years after this one with the injuries he has had this year, when they can get Jake Allen for 1M less for only 1 more year after this year.

You’re right with this. Unfortunately that will come at quite the premium these days. A Helly, Gibson, Saros, etc don’t exactly come cheap.

$3.8M

Yikes. I would definitely rather have Mrazek than Allen.

Yiikes. That’s tough…with Campbell playing so well too and will need a raise next year to somewhere in the 5M dollar range, can’t think the leafs wouldn’t take a mulligan on that Mrazek contract.

Yeah, Mrazek at $3M or under i get but in a flat cap world for almost $4M for a backup is just too much. I think the Leafs were comfortable given Soup's injury history, but diving into advanced analytics from his days in Carolina and it's clear his success was a result of solid defending in front of him. Not saying he's awful but almost $4m for a backup is a luxury that not many teams are going to pay the Leafs for. Leafs may have to at $1M if they want a decent asset back for him. With Flowers unlikely to sign again in Chicago, I could see Chicago using Mrazek as a backup at $2.8m for a 4th rounder or so.

Reallly? Why? Alllen has better career stats, one less year, 1M less and a Stanley cup winner.
Genuinely curious how you would rather Mrazek over Allen give their play and contracts?

Being a Leaf fan means I pay way too much attention to the Habs. I was also a Blues fan. I’ve watched Allen for a long time. Just not starter material. Last season proved that for Montreal. This year is hard to be the judgement as they are a dumpster fire.
I will admit I forgot Allen was on his new contract. So I won’t argue with you there.

yeah, none of that is true at all. Mrazek is adequatly paid for a guy who is a 1B. which he is and the fact that he had an unlucky injury in his first game doesnt change that. He's paid exactly what he's worth on good term.

Anyone who says Mrazek isn’t worth his cap hit is lying. He’s a proven starter in Carolina, and is young still. The only issue is his injury concerns but he’s proven to be a good NHL goalie. He’s had a positive GSAx over the past 3 seasons.

You also have to account the market. Is MAF any better currently? His numbers has been super inflated due to VGK strong defensive play since their inaugural season and now it’s shown he’s the same goalie as he was in Pittsburgh except now he’s on the wrong side of 30. Korpisalo isnt better, no are the other options available are better.

He’s a player from Toronto so he’s extremely undervalued in this site.

We really shouldn’t be taking about value coming a person who supports the Blackhawk’s and Jones 9.5x8

i like when people who ignore all the advanced stats that said the blackhawks would be awful this year turn around and use them to say a goalie for a different team had 'bad" advanced stats when that isnt true at all

A prime example is Phillip Grubauer . People were calling him to get a Vezina last season but all the underlying numbers proved he was nothing more than an average starter behind a strong defensive system.

Another one of those gambles that’s currently paying off is Fredrick Anderson however I do feel he will regress to the mean as he normally does from January onwards.

Skinner: .944
Smith: .920
Koskinen: .910

No need for another goalie, the Oilers already have 3 better ones.

Yeah, none of what you are saying is accurate. Look at the advanced analytics of Mrazek in Carolina and you'll understand his save % was because of the defense, didn't face many high danger chances. He's a backup goalie and at almost $4M cap hit in a flat cap world he's overpaid.

I love it when people deflect when someone comments against their idea or trade, then assume just because that person is a fan of a team to think every player is good or worth his contract. Some of us aren't die hard homers and know what reality is. If you've followed my comments, you'd know that goes down as one of the worst sign and trade deals bowman has ever done. I also never said the Hawks were going to be good this year.

Back to the topic at hand, Mrazek is not a starting goalie, he's a backup. His advanced analytics prove that in carolina. At almost $4M for a backup he's overpaid. Sorry you take the truth so personal but don't be blinded by being a fan of a team. If someone from Carolina posted this trade on CF last year, Mrazek at $4M for a 2nd or 3rd, Leafs fans would be flaming that person.

You clearly haven't looked into his advanced stats. Mrazek is not very good against high danger chances and is top 5 last year in rebounds per shot attempt. Those are the kind of stats that isolate a goalie from how good his defense was in front of him. Carolina is a top 5 defense, toronto is not.

Now you want to talk about MAF in Chicago? Yeah, he got traded and wasn't happy about it so his first 5 games collectively weren't good even posting a .600 in one of those first 5 games.The last 7 games Flowers has a average .931 save % on a average of 33 shots faced per game behind a bad defense. Fleury and Mrazek should never be discussed together, it's not close.

You should probably do yourself a favour and see some of the comments on here the day Mrazek was signed. Generally pretty positive reviews except for the general leaf hate. Carolina fans specifically stating they will miss him and wish they could have signed him at that value.

Now you can post analytics all you want, but quality watching over quantity watching is key. How goalies perform under pressure, who is On the ice when goals are scored against etc. hurricanes fans will tell you that when Jake Gardiner was on the ice, they still felt confident with Mrazek back there. That’s a qualitative stat that no chart will show you.

You can absolutely dive into some deep analytics to look at who was on the ice with Mrazek when he lets in goals. Look up rebounds. Mrazek was the bottom 5 of all goalies that played last year in giving up rebounds; that speaks volumes. I watch a ton of hockey and thoroughly enjoy watching Carolina and Toronto for that matter. Fans sentiment is often misguided as most of them don't understand the game well enough to evaluate individual players well enough. Mrazek is a backup goalie on a good team period, not a 1A simply a backup. Carolina made a big upgrade with Andersen. Just look at the two how they each fared in Carolina and Andersen is much better in net in Carolina then Mrazek was. Some Leaf fans thought Mrazek is an upgrade which I chuckled at and still do. I'm also willing to bet Andersen is a top 10 or maybe top 5 goalie this season now that he's behind a solid defensive system from a save %, but save % can be the most misleading stat for goalies and unfortunately the one fans most often look at to judge a goalie. Needless to say, comparing them both in that carolina system is worth wild comparison.