The Lightning used 7D a lot in that run (like in one game at the same time), so Hedman would pretty much just get 30 minutes a game, 10 each with 3 guys lol (usually 2 of Rutta/Bogo/Schenn and the rest with Sergachev)

Would you rather have Lucic or Hoffman

Hoffman 1000%

Hoffman, useful PP guy and on the right team 20+ goal scorer

You can go get some hard hitting enforcer for league min to a mill rather than 5mill Lucic

Went to Coyotes twitter. War amongst the few fans about Lybushkin getting traded lul

Some going good he sucks others going WTF he was our third best Dman

Oldnyifan was saying the zary + lucic for Hoffman is a terrible trade because lucic is better than Hoffman

In the right situation Hoffman is a monster (30 goals in Florida with Barkov 2 years ago)

But in MTL its been a struggle but still would rather have him vs. Lucic

But yeah not gonna go on about it as I dont want no beef lul

So NC about the trade but my general thoughts are above.

Is the trade bad

He's delusional and a Habs hater.

That’s a rare L for him

Its not if its bad its does Calgary want Hoffman. Really no. They got enough firepower and need a guy like Lucic for some grit.

Also dont think they want to move Zary lul

Could be another prospect. Like someone said they could go get grit. Also don’t they have that already

I would love coronato + 2nd + lucic for hoffman

*Common L (at least to me)

First I know him( sort of). Would the flames do that. Maybe not. I’m not sure. I’m tiring to learn more about other teams.

I doubt it. Their holes are 2 top pairing defenseman. But I think they would do zary + 2nd + lucic + 3rd for Hoffman + pezzetta

The trade is bad for a few reasons. Individually Hoffman is better than Lucic, although not by much offensively this year and Lucic provides more other things (better defensively, very physical, can fight, great leader), however Hoffman is underperforming this year and the Flames aren’t gonna give up Zary to maybe marginally improve the 3rd line and 2nd PP unit, while bringing in another expensive player underperforming his contract, but with even more term and who provides nothing else. Sutter would also hate Hoffman, and it would likely mess up the locker room more than it would help on the ice. It’s nice having a guy like Lucic on the 4th line and we just brought in a right shot scoring winger, but one that is performing better recently, and can actually play a 200-foot game. If the Flames make another trade, it’ll likely be for a depth piece (like Jarnkrok, Appleton, Namestnikov, etc.). Big 4 prospects (Pelletier, Coronato, Zary, Wolf) are likely untouchable as well, unless we get a guy like J.T. Miller or Hertl (extended).

Pittsburgh winning a cup in 2016 with a backend consisting of:
Justin Schultz
Brian Dumoulin
Ian Cole
Trevor Daley
Chad Ruhwedel
Olli Maatta
Ron Hainsey

Is more like the Leafs in this example

Very well said. Thank you for the feedback. You reminded me of the system they have. It wouldn’t work. Thank you

LOL this is absurd. Maybe if this was 18-19 Hoffman. Hoffman is underperforming his contract. He’s barely better than Lucic offensively. You’re not getting a top prospect for the upgrade, let alone a top prospect and multiple picks. If anything it’s equal one for one because Lucic provides other intangibles and Hoffman has the extra year as an anchor.

Funny enough Lucic has more points than Hoffman this year

I mentioned above right situation Hoffman = Monster

Remember him in Florida 36 goals and on a teams PP unit 1 oh god help the other goalie lul.

Just hasnt worked in Montreal it seems

Lucic = 2nd to dump.
Zary isn't a top prospect.
He is between a 1st round caliber prospect and a 2nd round caliber prospect.
May I remind you Hoffman is on the worst team in the league, while playing with career ahler laurent Dauphin, and slow brendan Gallagher.
Hoffman still has a bomb on the powerplay, Hoffman can drive play, a good fit for him I think is Washington on a line with eller + hagelin. He would fit amazing on that line along with playing with ovi on the powerplay . Hoffman still has value. More than lucic.

2 less in 14 less games, while playing with worse linemates

You don’t get to ask for value based on something a guy did 3 years ago. Are we gonna pretend Lucic is a top 5 power forward in the league, or Loui Eriksson is a 30 goal guy on the right team? Hoffman’s value is low right now. He’s getting paid 4.5mil to do nothing but score goals (because he can’t do anything else), and he’s scoring at less than a 20 goal, 40 point pace right now. You buy low hoping he bounces back on your team. The seller doesn’t get to sell based on what he could be (unless you throw in conditional picks based on performance, which really should happen more often).