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2021-22 NHL Discussion Thread #18

Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:35 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
fair


idk kerfoot would probably get a 2nd and a decent prospect... from bruins thats probably like kerfoot for this years 2nd and lauko.
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Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:36 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Lehkonen shouldn’t get a 1st imo but it’s a possibility, his fair value is a 2nd+okay prospect or 3rd+decent prospect. however, I don’t think we move him for that so I think Montreal would be looking for a 2nd+good prospect and the max I see a GM doing is a Barclay Goodrow type deal


i think the goodrow deal was a once in a blue moon type move. i dont see alot of teams going all in on 3rd liners.
Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:38 p.m.
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Quoting: hanson493
idk kerfoot would probably get a 2nd and a decent prospect... from bruins thats probably like kerfoot for this years 2nd and lauko.


Yup, not suggesting the Leafs are or should, but IF Muzzin returns before the playoffs adding anyone at the TDL will mean money in money out. Just curious on his value.
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Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:38 p.m.
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Quoting: hanson493
i think the goodrow deal was a once in a blue moon type move. i dont see alot of teams going all in on 3rd liners.


I said that’s the max I see a GM paying for him, I wouldn’t expect that type of return, as I said, I think we’d be looking for the slight overpayment of 2nd+good prospect for us to part ways with him
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Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:40 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
I said that’s the max I see a GM paying for him, I wouldn’t expect that type of return, as I said, I think we’d be looking for the slight overpayment of 2nd+good prospect for us to part ways with him


IT WOuLDNT BE LAPPIERE OR MCMICHAEL
Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:42 p.m.
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you guys gotta remember when bringing up tampa in trades... this was their top 6:

stamkos point kucherov
killorn cirelli palat

all signed decently all signed long term. you arent pushing anyone out of those spots. i dont know of any or many teams that have that luxury or have had that luxury in the last 20 years. most teams have some sort of holes in their top 6 to fill. we all agree toronto is a wagon offensively right?

top 6:
bunting matthews marner
? tavares nylander

kerfoot/mikheyev playing that lw role? easy to say they could add a top 6 lw.

florida:
verhaege barkov reinhart
huberdeau bennett duclair

pretty good they already paid a 1st for reinhart this year though.

boston:
marchand bergy debrusk
hall haula pastrnak

could easily upgrade on haula and debrusk...

when you already have a stacked roster, you can overpay and overbid for depth like tampa did with coleman and goodrow. hard to overbid when you have holes.
Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:43 p.m.
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Quoting: hanson493
you guys gotta remember when bringing up tampa in trades... this was their top 6:

stamkos point kucherov
killorn cirelli palat

all signed decently all signed long term. you arent pushing anyone out of those spots. i dont know of any or many teams that have that luxury or have had that luxury in the last 20 years. most teams have some sort of holes in their top 6 to fill. we all agree toronto is a wagon offensively right?

top 6:
bunting matthews marner
? tavares nylander

kerfoot/mikheyev playing that lw role? easy to say they could add a top 6 lw.

florida:
verhaege barkov reinhart
huberdeau bennett duclair

pretty good they already paid a 1st for reinhart this year though.

boston:
marchand bergy debrusk
hall haula pastrnak

could easily upgrade on haula and debrusk...

when you already have a stacked roster, you can overpay and overbid for depth like tampa did with coleman and goodrow. hard to overbid when you have holes.


Ovi Kuzy Wilson
Mantha Backy Oshie


Pretty good
Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:45 p.m.
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Quoting: capsfan2121
Ovi Kuzy Wilson
Mantha Backy Oshie


Pretty good


pretty good, maybe they go out and overpay for depth but i dont see it from where they are. they will probably get a bigger fish in net like a MAF to solidify that spot.
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Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:46 p.m.
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pretty good, maybe they go out and overpay for depth but i dont see it from where they are. they will probably get a bigger fish in net like a MAF to solidify that spot.


I’m so conflicted on our goalie situation. They look outstanding on night then the next we look like we are trash.
Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:48 p.m.
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I’m so conflicted on our goalie situation. They look outstanding on night then the next we look like we are trash.


vitek will be fine, bring in a better backup if youre worried about workload.
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Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:49 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
I am curious, if Lehkonen is worth a first as a RFA, what would Kerfoot's value be under team control for two more years. Should the Leafs look at moving him.


Lehkonen is a top 5 defensive forward
Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:54 p.m.
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
Lehkonen is a top 5 defensive forward


I'd argue so is Kerfoot

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Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:57 p.m.
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
Lehkonen is a top 5 defensive forward


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I'd argue so is Kerfoot

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Last 3 years

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evolving hockey would argue its marcus foligno or bust... in all seriousness it doesnt really matter cuz bergeron is the best defensive hockey player and you cant tell me otherwise.
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Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:59 p.m.
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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator
Lehkonen is a top 5 defensive forward


on the habs maybe.
Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:59 p.m.
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Quoting: hanson493
evolving hockey would argue its marcus foligno or bust... in all seriousness it doesnt really matter cuz bergeron is the best defensive hockey player and you cant tell me otherwise.


There’s also the fact that being good defensively can be equal to ice time, like sure Lehkonen’s good defensively but guys like Bergeron, RoR, Barkov etc all blow him out of the water
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Mar. 11, 2022 at 6:00 p.m.
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evolving hockey would argue its marcus foligno or bust... in all seriousness it doesnt really matter cuz bergeron is the best defensive hockey player and you cant tell me otherwise.


Yes, I take my comment back, Kerfoot is NOT a top 5 defensive forward. A quality one but not top 5.
Mar. 11, 2022 at 6:16 p.m.
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
I am curious, if Lehkonen is worth a first as a RFA, what would Kerfoot's value be under team control for two more years. Should the Leafs look at moving him.


Dubas got a 1st + for Kapenan

With Kerfoot on pace for 55 points with no PP time maybe you could get a 1st at the draft. His contract after the bonus is 750k in actual dollars.

After all Philly spend a 1st (13OA) on Ristolinen lul

Got a feeling hes gonna be moved at this TDL for a RD but who knows

Still wonder why Kerfoot aint on our PP as in Colorado thats where he did a good chunk of damage. Could have had 60 points by now lul.
Mar. 11, 2022 at 6:18 p.m.
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TZ11 may love this but I think everyone will like it

Recently got to work with a specialist coach who works and trained with John Gibson (amongst dozens of other big names). Had some fun stories.

Big takeaway was John Gibson is a very introverted guy who’s quite moody. Goes from being a life of the party to hiding from the world and the team. A huge heart and gentle guy but has big ups and downs mentally which effect him every day and his play/ performance.

Mental health; too often forgotten by everyone, including fans.


Something a lot of Ducks fans have been thinking. Especially last season and this season, he's been going up at the begin of the season and then down come February. The defence in front of him has been rather poor for a few weeks now and I think it's obvious that he's frustrated when you look at how he plays. He seems more frustrated each game (rightfully so) and he went from a Top 5 Vezina candidate in early February to a below average Goalie right now. I don't blame this solely on him because of the defence but also his workload. Most Ducks fans are aware of the fact that "too much" workload (even if it isn't all that much compared to others) causes Gibson to fall of a cliff mid-season, but the coaching staff doesn't seem to care. He himself hasn't been all that good the last few weeks, also when isolated from the D in front of him, but I think this is partly due to factors you mentioned. But I really hope he can bounce back this season. Fingers crossed...
Mar. 11, 2022 at 6:22 p.m.
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Dzingel back on waivers. If we claim him he can go to the Marlies right?
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Mar. 11, 2022 at 6:25 p.m.
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Dzingel back on waivers. If we claim him he can go to the Marlies right?


I think so. But I’m not sure fully
Mar. 11, 2022 at 6:25 p.m.
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Just for 42 notifications from @capsfan2121 lol. This is glitch or did you just like all my posts in older threads?
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Mar. 11, 2022 at 6:27 p.m.
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Just for 42 notifications from capsfan2121 lol. This is glitch or did you just like all my posts in older threads?


Pretty sure he went through some of the older forum threads
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Mar. 11, 2022 at 6:32 p.m.
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Dzingel back on waivers. If we claim him he can go to the Marlies right?


Technically no. He'd have to be offered to everyone else that put a claim on him first. As long as nobody above Toronto in the standings tried to claim him, he'll clear.
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Mar. 11, 2022 at 6:34 p.m.
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Just for 42 notifications from capsfan2121 lol. This is glitch or did you just like all my posts in older threads?


I went through the old forums and left you guys a present with likes.
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Mar. 11, 2022 at 6:34 p.m.
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Technically no. He'd have to be offered to everyone else that put a claim on him first. As long as nobody above Toronto in the standings tried to claim him, he'll clear.


Thats what I meant if Toronto claims him he just goes straight to the Marlies right?

Cause isnt it where if the team who originally waived him claims him they dont have to re-waive or something and can send the player straight down.

Honestly would be surprised if someone claims Dzingel over us as 1.1mill is usually a turn off

Who knows.
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