liljegren is great

I see Foudy as a bottom 6 energy guy. A very good one at that. He reminds me of a Nik Aube Kubel / Logan oconnor type of player,.

why the hell are their eight pages

I wanted to see how long it would take for someone to ask why there are so many pages

guessing most of it is about the muzzin/beau trade and not about liljegren

You don’t want to know

A cooked defenceman, sure bud. Hilarious take. Enjoy watching TO in the playoffs

Islander fans going ballistic

If you have anything to prove me wrong, I'd like to hear it. I will enjoy Campbell giving up 5 goals a game in the playoffs.

His entire career

Leafs fans criticize other teams for signing aging players until one of their own falls off a cliff. Ironic lol

Yup he's fallen off a cliff because you say so. Why? Because of a very small sample size. The absolute funniest part of your nonsense is how you defended Holl of all players. Only for the sake of this argument is he a good player. Meanwhile for the rest of time Holl (who's been an effective 20 minute defenceman for TO) wouldn't make any other team. Muzzin has been a top pair defenceman his entire career but a rough 30 game stretch and he's the worst player ever. When he gets back to full health and back to his usual self, it's going to be really interesting to hear you justify all this nonsense. Will he decline? Absolutely, all players do. Did he fall off a cliff? Highly unlikely but you are going to hope he did. Just as much as you hope Matthews leaves after his contract and JT declines into a 4th liner and Marner leaves because he hates TO etc etc. You are the exact type of Islanders fan that makes your fanbase look so bad. Just a whinny baby, mad because JT left you. So now you hate the Leafs more than you like the Islanders. It's ridiculous

Falling off a cliff is going from top pair caliber to being nothing more than an average 3rd pair D. The sample size is big enough to come to a conclusion that Muzzin is cooked. He's a year younger than Vlasic.

I wouldn't be commenting about Muzzin if there wasn't a proposed trade to dump him on the Islanders. I am arguing that Muzzin is a cap dump and his full NTC makes him pretty much impossible to move.

Keep saying cooked all you want. It's silly and wrong and it's going to be fun watching you back pedal.

Why would we make that trade though 😭

i think that's my favorite part of all this: "tell me about liljegren" devolved into 6 pages of arguing about jake muzzin

even better: muzzin has a full NTC which makes the proposal basically DOA anyway

yeah this turned into something it's not hahaha

You get Robertson and a better defenceman for two depth guys that don't matter. Why would TO make this trade? Robertson and Muzzin are both worth more

Just never send a leaf to the Islanders. That fan base is so damaged by JT leaving to TO.

Mayfield>Muzzin and Beau is not a depth player. I don’t think he’s as valuable as some isles fans suggest but he is for sure a good player. Robertson is overrated. Muzzin is on a bad contract considering his injury history and his decline

real unbiased analysis here

Muzzin is 33, and while i don't want go down the same 8 pages of rabbit hole, i think even you can admit that he is most likely going to continue to get slower and less productive as he gets older, and that the Islanders would be the team acquiring him for these older years. his $5.625M cap hit is also probably more than they would want to pay for their LD2 in this situation.

Robertson looks like a great offensive talent...when he's on the ice. He's had two pro seasons and missed significant time in both, which is kind of a red flag for a small forward like him, wouldn't you think? Not saying he can't get past those issues and become a strong player, but that he's not a slam-dunk top 6 guy as it stands right now.

As far as the Islanders side:

Trading Beauvillier for anything this offseason would be selling low. He came into this year shooting 12.9% and has seen that drop to 7.9%; seeing as you argued against small sample sizes earlier in this thread, I think you'd agree that we should value him more on the 300+ career games before this season than his 60ish this year.

I've had the Mayfield argument with TML fans too many times at this point, so I'll try and keep it brief: he's spent 60% of his even strength ice time on the top pair, his possession numbers are better than the rest of the roster while doing that, and he's signed for next year at a steal ($1.45M). Him being behind Pulock & Dobson on the depth chart is more a testament to how good those players are than an indictment of his play - he would be a positive asset for nearly every team in the league looking for a strong, physical RHD with playoff experience. He's also someone the Islanders would be fine keeping next year and having a strong group of RD who are familiar with the Trotz system. He doesn't *need* to be moved, so it's gotta be a big deal to get him off the Island.

to answer your question tho: I think 2x$1.5M is the perfect spot to sign Liljegren for if I'm Kyle Dubas. He's earned a raise over his ELC but with only 65 NHL games to this point, this gives you a chance to hedge a little bit if you're concerned that his success this year is more due to his usage than him actually progressing as a player - if he winds up being a dud, $1.5M is mostly buried on the Marlies and would only cost ~$375K against the cap. If he really did make the leap, though, prepare to pay up in summer 2024.

Oh geez, mayfield is so overrated.

Guys who constantly battle groin injuries or shoulder stuff are injury prone. Broken legs from blocking shots is just unlucky. But whatever fits your rhetoric. 40 point wingers and 3rd pair defensive legends are definitely the reason why the Islanders are a top team again......oh wait.

2 conference final appearances in a row, talk to me when you guys win a playoff round