Rough looking at it in the what if context.

Definitely is. It's over and done with though. Nothing we can do now but wait and watch. ACGM is just very difficult for this team, so it's hard not to look back and know that we wouldn't be in this position if we had a competent GM that didn't make even just a couple of these trades. And didn't allow the situation with Kyle Beach to just get glossed over and covered up.

As an oiler fan I have watched gms screw up since 06, the beech thing was horrible and is why I didn't want anything to do with Keith. Gl on the quick rebuild.

Im not sure trading Hartman should be seen as a mistake. Essentially was the same as trading Hagel now, and Hartman hasnt broken 20 points since we traded him. Nobody saw him breaking out this year -in his age 27 season.

I don't blame you. I could go on and on about this stuff. But I was just bored and having a hard time posting anything constructive for this club because the roster and pipeline don't make sense and their tradable assets don't have much value.

Just out of curiosity. How is Caleb Jones doing from a hawks fan perspective?

Sure. It's debatable. But even at the time of the trade, I remember not feeling very good about the return. And it is definitely not very good in hindsight. Edjsell is garbage and won't get a contract, Beaudin is still a huge question mark but isn't looking very good at the pro level, and Kurashev still has some time to prove himself I guess. But even the years Hartman was gone before the current season, he was still a very solid bottom 9 center with a lot of upside. And better than a lot of what we had through those years. It's all speculative, though. I'm just bored and can't seem to put anything together that makes sense that hasn't already been done a million times on here. So I decided to rip Bowman apart instead.

I like Caleb Jones a lot.

Its also very easy to look at the bad and ignore the good. For instance, you have an undo of the Danault + Romanov pick trade, but Montreal would want to undo the DeBrincat pick + Krys pick trade.

I should add to that. I like Caleb Jones a lot. But I feel like if they are trying to develop prospects and rebuild and give some of our AHLers a chance in the NHL, CHI is probably better off trading him. Hard to tell what he is going to be though. He is definitely an NHL defenseman, he shows a lot of promise and still has plenty of time to take some steps and become a legit top 4 defenseman, possibly even top pairing.

If we’re undoing bad moves, can the Habs get debrincat back after trading his pick for Andrew Shaw? 😞

Makes me a little sick when we paid Caleb and a 3rd. I guess I just have to hope Keith ramps up his game in the playoffs.

Hindsight is always 20/20. Especially with the picks. There's no guarantee the Hawks drafted Shesterkin, Nelson, Romanov. If that were the case other teams could certainly say they should have drafted Debrincat in the 1st when he was actually a 2nd round pick.

Also, I remember watching Danault in Rockford. He wasn't really that good. The Hawks also gave him time between Panarin/Kane and he struggled at that too which ultimately was the reason he was traded. We all need to give him a massive amount of credit for turning around his career, he's a good player. It's just hard to see it back then because he wasn't playing good hockey.

Well, yeah. It's easy to complain in hindsight, for sure. I just have a hard time putting anything constructive together for this team that makes any sense and isn't overly complicated. Their assets are severely depleted. But the Shaw and Danault trades between CHI and Montreal are completely separate and have nothing to do with each other.

So Bowman was so dumb with these trades yet smart enough to make all the right picks that's as dumb as Red wings fans saying Vasilevskiy should be theres

I like him, but he's making a lot of errors too. He's young and that's all part of development, but if you were to ask me to choose between Duncan Keith last year and Caleb Jones this year from a pure hockey perspective and no cap involved...I'd pick Keith over Caleb Jones. I haven't been able to watch Keith a ton in EDM, so if he's fallen off a cliff then that's different. I'm hopeful Caleb Jones learns and limits those mistakes going forward because he's a quick puck moving Dman that'll be extended for a low cap hit. He just needs to try to not do too much.

Like I said prior, I am totally aware hindsight is 20/20. Just doing this because making anything constructive for this team that actually make sense is either boring or has been done a million times already. haha. Also, I'm sick of fighting off fans of other teams constantly. My posts seem to attract the crazies.

That's just CapFriendly. You're lucky there isn't a TOR trade up above. Right now that fan base as a whole (not every single person) is just bananas. Mrazek was waived and cleared waives, but they think he has serious value.

Relax bud. No one is coming to take Vasilevskiy away. Just like I am not saying any of these players "should be" CHI's. I was just scrolling through their trade history and making an ACGM at the same time.

Oh yeah. I am aware of that. I remember them trying to get 2nd round picks for him leading up to the TDL. It was ridiculous.

I mean, disregarding what they turned into, getting a 1st rounder, a consensus top european prospect, and a 4th is a pretty good haul for a guy on an expiring contract who never scored more than 31 in a season

call me crazy but Strome > Schmaltz

I actually agree. I just snagged him for the heck of it.