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Jul. 9, 2017 at 2:31 p.m.
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Jul. 9, 2017 at 2:47 p.m.
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Edited Aug. 9, 2017 at 10:31 a.m.
BOG Agenda

****BOG OPENINGS TO COME - DROP YOUR NAME IN TO BE CONSIDERED FOR POSITION BY THE 12TH

BOG Members Leaving:
matt59 (August 14th)
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GMs Who Applied For BOG:
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Votes:

1) To place boltscharge17 on Level 1 of Infraction System: 3-0: Booth Turner Zach in favour

2) To place DirtyDangles on Level 2 (again): 2-2

Other:
1) GM Game Awards: to discuss further after FA
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Jul. 10, 2017 at 6:59 p.m.
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decided to buyout enstrom

Oh....dang it! Creating more work for us haha. Well thanks for letting us know rodzik
Jul. 10, 2017 at 6:59 p.m.
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BOG what's next with Enstorm?
Jul. 10, 2017 at 7:00 p.m.
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Quoting: DavidBooth7
BOG what's next with Enstorm?


Let Enstrom go through the process? See if anyone wants him
Jul. 10, 2017 at 7:00 p.m.
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Quoting: DavidBooth7
BOG what's next with Enstorm?


Let Enstrom go through the process? See if anyone wants him

Yea but the deadline for submissions and claims has passed. Should we go door knocking to each team now seeing if they'd like to place a claim?
Jul. 10, 2017 at 7:12 p.m.
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Let Enstrom go through the process? See if anyone wants him

Yea but the deadline for submissions and claims has passed. Should we go door knocking to each team now seeing if they'd like to place a claim?


Id say yes... Enstrom is a lot of money... I don't expect much action on him
Jul. 10, 2017 at 7:15 p.m.
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Id say yes... Enstrom is a lot of money... I don't expect much action on him

Marco said he might be interested...if its fine with everyone else, I will go notify each team that, if they want to place a bid on Enstorm, they must do so by tomorrow midnight and report their interest here. I do expect a couple of claims potentially...is everyone good with that?
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Jul. 10, 2017 at 7:31 p.m.
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Just making it official. I submit a claim on Enstrom through waivers.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 7:36 p.m.
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Just making it official. I submit a claim on Enstrom through waivers.

And the first waiver claim in CapFriendly GM Game history goes to...sorry, what's your name again young lad Sticking Out Tongue?

And BOG, I've officially spammed every thread now. I've given them till midnight tomorrow to place a claim. We'll determine the winner the next day, the 13th
Jul. 10, 2017 at 10:52 p.m.
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What are the rules for retired players, can they be released from the team or do we have to keep their contracts?
Jul. 10, 2017 at 10:58 p.m.
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Quoting: TonyStrecher
What are the rules for retired players, can they be released from the team or do we have to keep their contracts?


I'm not the BOG, but I had planned to include it when we budgeted the rosters. We have to remove retired players from teams as well as the free agency list, so it would be a part of those corrections.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 11:14 p.m.
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where do u go to place a claim on a player
Jul. 10, 2017 at 11:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Rodzikhockey93
where do u go to place a claim on a player


Claims have passed already. Only Enstrom can be claimed right now, and he was already yours and was a special circumstance.
Other players have already cleared waivers and been bought out, kept, or traded.
Jul. 10, 2017 at 11:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Rodzikhockey93
where do u go to place a claim on a player


Claims have passed already. Only Enstrom can be claimed right now, and he was already yours and was a special circumstance.
Other players have already cleared waivers and been bought out, kept, or traded.


what about for UFA's
Jul. 10, 2017 at 11:22 p.m.
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Claims have passed already. Only Enstrom can be claimed right now, and he was already yours and was a special circumstance.
Other players have already cleared waivers and been bought out, kept, or traded.


what about for UFA's


Free Agency hasn't started yet. BOG is on suspension for another 39 minutes. Matt is going to post something tomorrow I believe he said.
Jul. 11, 2017 at 7:52 a.m.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_2McUlRrtidYlMdshQFp-jr8MyncmomGbYY9LSCVc/pub

Here is the proposed plan for free agency we have been discussing. Before the BOG votes on whether to make this official, we want to let you guys ask questions and make suggestions to the format. From now until noon EST on Wednesday July 12, we encourage everyone to look through the document and make they they understand how everything will work. If you unsure about anything or you have suggestions on how to make it better, please ask and comment on the "Free Agency discussion thread". Thanks!
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Jul. 11, 2017 at 10:52 a.m.
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Quoting: matt59
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19p_2McUlRrtidYlMdshQFp-jr8MyncmomGbYY9LSCVc/pub

Here is the proposed plan for free agency we have been discussing. Before the BOG votes on whether to make this official, we want to let you guys ask questions and make suggestions to the format. From now until noon EST on Wednesday July 12, we encourage everyone to look through the document and make they they understand how everything will work. If you unsure about anything or you have suggestions on how to make it better, please ask and comment on the "Free Agency discussion thread". Thanks!


Just to confirm Matt...

Joe Thornton is 38 years old. If I bid $8M for one year (the actual contract Thornton signed), I would lose out to a manager who offers $3M x 3 year??? I realize that we can't make a foolproof system but Jumbo Joe would clearly prefer the one year option.
Jul. 11, 2017 at 10:55 a.m.
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Just to confirm Matt...

Joe Thornton is 38 years old. If I bid $8M for one year (the actual contract Thornton signed), I would lose out to a manager who offers $3M x 3 year??? I realize that we can't make a foolproof system but Jumbo Joe would clearly prefer the one year option.


38-40 would be a two year max, need to clarify the age boundaries for that thanks for pointing out. Also, the money is maxed out at 6 million a year for players 38-39 years old

Edit: age boundaries now fixed
Jul. 11, 2017 at 11:19 a.m.
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Am I misunderstanding something, or does Vegas have the ability to match any UFA bid and sign the player?
Jul. 11, 2017 at 11:20 a.m.
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I've mentioned it before, taking the player preference aspect out of it, making the structure of salary to term theisway intended negates the whole aspect of bargaining.

Let's take Radulov for example.

IRL he signed 6M+ for 5 years. Had MTL offered 7+ or 8 mil for 4 years he'd of been signed a long time ago.

This structure basically makes everyone's buying power the exact same so that it would come down to players preference but we don't have that obviously. I understand the whole point of this was to eliminate a Gm from offering Oshie 15M x 3 years but in the true spirit of the game, that shouldn't be against the rules. This is free agency. The whole point is to get the best contract which is a combination of dollars and term. The team that makes one of these farce type contracts still needs to live with it. Signing Oshie to 15M not only is a dumb idea but puts their team on major financial constraints. But that is their prerogative. Also since the home team and Vegas have such an advantage over the rest of the teams, they are almost guaranteed to keep those players. Barring a stupid offer by one of the other GM's, which none can really do anyway, its almost a forgone conclusion that a team with the home town rights will resign the player almost for sure. If not, Vegas will likely snatch up the player. Leaving nothing for a new GM's. At least none of the good players anyway.

I understand the age portion for players over 35. That makes more sense.

I think the preventative measures that you are putting in place are too extreme and are only trying to negate the crazy offers, which for all we know might not even happen, but are coming at the expense of the tactical offers a GM would normally have to use to his advantage.

The structure of the years to salary aren't exactly based off reality either. All they do essentially is make everyone's initial offer quite close and subject to differences of 0.01m...... Since no secondary offers can be made, all this free agency is, is throwing a fishline and hoping for a catch.....

If anything the tiebreaker for the 5x3 or 7.5x2 type debate could simply be the contract offer with the longer term wins. Most players are looking for term over dollars anyway.

The base for this FA plan is good but the actual structure for bidding isn't IMO. Might as well just let the hometown teams sign their players right now. What ever scraps are left will be available to the rest of the GM's.
Jul. 11, 2017 at 11:21 a.m.
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Am I misunderstanding something, or does Vegas have the ability to match any UFA bid and sign the player?


I had it as once per team, but only "against" those teams which he did not have an expansion agreement with. After which that team would be crossed off the list.
I don't see any mention of it in this version, so may need to be looked into.
Jul. 11, 2017 at 11:35 a.m.
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Am I misunderstanding something, or does Vegas have the ability to match any UFA bid and sign the player?

Basically, field and Vegas all make bids. Home team isn't required to make bids. Now, Vegas can raise the top field bid by 250K. Home can then match and win and decline. If they do match, they also get a 10% discount on the winning price
Jul. 11, 2017 at 11:48 a.m.
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To clarify:

If these two offers are submitted : 2 x 5.25M and 4 x 5.25M, the team that submitted 4 x 5.25 wins because they have the most total value (21M compared to 10.5M)

From Marco's post, in the even that the two offers of 3 x 5M and 2 x 7.5M, what is the priority of the tiebreaker? Years? AAV? Just want to make sure so there will be less of a chance for debate and arguments come time to submit bids

tanks - phillyjabroni
Jul. 11, 2017 at 11:54 a.m.
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To clarify:

If these two offers are submitted : 2 x 5.25M and 4 x 5.25M, the team that submitted 4 x 5.25 wins because they have the most total value (21M compared to 10.5M)

From Marco's post, in the even that the two offers of 3 x 5M and 2 x 7.5M, what is the priority of the tiebreaker? Years? AAV? Just want to make sure so there will be less of a chance for debate and arguments come time to submit bids

tanks - phillyjabroni

To answer your first question, you are correct.

As for your second question, tiebreaker isn't sorted out on AAV or years actually. It's based on the waiver order which is what we use for all tiebreakers
Jul. 11, 2017 at 11:57 a.m.
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Quoting: DavidBooth7

To answer your first question, you are correct.

As for your second question, tiebreaker isn't sorted out on AAV or years actually. It's based on the waiver order which is what we use for all tiebreakers


The tie breaker I mentioned was just in reference to the problem I see in the structure of the bidding. Whether its by waiver or whatever other way is fine. That shouldn't be too much of a problem (even though it should be REVERSE waivers order since players want to go to a winning team more so than a rebuilding one...no?)
 
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