NJ should shut this down very quickly. Why would they not have the time to wait for holtz? Jack is like 21, luke isn't even in the NHL yet, and they were terrible last year. No need to rush it

I think it's pretty fair as a straight up trade being honest. Potential for maximum buyers remorse for the Devils so not sure they'd pull the trigger, but it is a fair deal.

NJ would add. Not a ton, but definitely something.

Holtz won’t be on the table. We have a ton of young players and prospects to offer…but Luke Hughes and Alex Holtz won’t be involved.

Zacha, Tatar, Johnsson, Foote, Boqvist, Zetterlund, Gritsyuk, Stillman, Thompson, Clarke, etc. Take your choice along with any non-top-10 draft picks.

Certainly any non playoff team is giving up two picks for a one year rental (Dumba)

Might be fair deal for Fiala, but if I'm New Jersey,,,maybe signing Gaudreau for 10m (or another good UFA) and keeping ELC Holtz makes more sense.
But getting no cap for a signed Fiala is diminishes trade value as there are few teams in the can do that do. Sens and Devils seem like the best trade partners.

Damn, we graciously accept your pile of manure.

Exactly!
Our leading scorers this year were age 23, 23, 20, 23, 20 and only two of top twelve were older than 25.
Lots of time…

Manure?

Show me one trade comp where a team gave up a top-prospect and a top-5 pick for a winger without a contract? Just one. Doesn’t have to be exact…closest one you got.

I’ll wait.

I think NJ should just offer this year's 1st+ assuming it's 5th OVR or later. Fiala is worth it.

NJ needs to stay the course. Can't get impatient

Holtz is worth keeping too. As will 5th overall pick. Both will have 3+ years left on ELCs.

Not exact, but Devils did trade 10th Overall (Bo Horvat) for Schneider two years away from UFA. Fiala is real good, real good needs to go back to get him. I dont think the risk is worth it for the Devils all things considered but a 1 for 1 trade between these two is understandable from both sides.

Not sure why youre asking for a trade comp with a top prospect AND a top 5 pick. Nobody suggested a top 5 pick on top of Holtz

Reinhart is a decent comparable though. He got a top prospect in Devon Levi + a top 10 protected 1st. Fiala is a year older than Reinhart was when he was traded but he is also coming off of a 1.04P/GP year while Reinhart was scoring at a 0.74P/GP rate the year before he was traded

Devon Levi probably on par with Gritsyuk, no? Wheeler has him as the 4th best in the Sabres pool, so you’re looking at the guy right behind Hughes and Holtz for the Devils.

And the devils can’t pick 10 so they can’t top 10 protect their pick. So you add pick 37 (which is pretty close to what that Florida pick is gonna be) and maybe another asset. One of the “manure” player, a non first, or B- level prospect.

/but/ Buffalo obviously didn’t have any cap issues driving down Reinhart’s value, so even then it’s kinda tough.

That was #9 pick. And Schneider was under contract. And no Holtz in that deal.

RFAs with arb rights have a lot more control than people think they do because they can just sign their QO, play a year and get right to UFA if they are traded.

I will disagree on “table scraps” as a few of those guys are solid A prospects.

But MIN fans keep asking for Holtz plus top-5 pick knowing full well there is no chance of a return that big. So come up with some comps that justify the price…otherwise, don’t ask for unrealistic returns.

Every time Fiala to Devils comes up, that is the asking price. Even in this thread it is suggested.

The Reinhart comp is a good one. Using that, Devils would offer Schmid and the 37th pick. We can add a 4th if people are really worried about gap between #30 and #37.

(Also keep in mind, Levi was dealt before last season…so his stock has mostly risen after the trade).

Not a single one of those guys is even close to an A prospect.

The trade came after Levi's performance at the WJC where he put up a 0.964SV%, 0.75GAA, and 3SO in 7GP. All of those are records for U20 goalies: https://www.quanthockey.com/wjc-u20/en/records/best-save-percentage-in-one-season-by-wjc-u20-goalies.html

Schmid isnt even close in value imo. Then the 37th is later than the FLA pick and plus Fiala is scoring 0.3P/GP more than Reinhart was at the time. Thats an insulting offer for a young point per game forward imo. But who knows, Buchnevich only got a 2nd + Blais

I mean, 1 big tournament isn’t likely to change a players stock THAT much.

And while I agree schmid is too little value, the picks are extremely close such that an additional 4th probably more than bridges the gap in terms of value.

While Reinhart was scoring less, he was playing for a much worse team with zero support around him. The underlying metrics actually have Reinhart as more valuable. But, people aren’t traded for underlyings, obviously. So I’m a vacuum yes he would command more BUT Wild have so much dead money and Boldy coming up that teams won’t be offering him full value.

Pick 37 + Gritsyuk or
Pick 37 + Foote + 4th would be the comparable here imo

I dont know anything about Gritsyuk tbh

I think a 1st + Levi-level prospect is the low end for Fiala though, Reinhart wasnt a point per game player at that point - theres a 0.3P/GP difference to account for and youre already downgrading the pick. Fiala has shown he is a legitimate P/GP player this year - he was the one driving his line and producing, his most common linemates were Frederick Gaudreau and Matt Boldy, and he was 9th in the league in 5v5 P/60

Don’t get me wrong, I get the production argument.

But in terms of raw value, Gritsyuk ~ Levi

Pick 28-32 ~ pick 37 + pick 101 if you look at a value chart

Pick 5 >> pick 28-32. Even pick 10 is 2x as valuable according to Dom L at the Athletic


Then you factor in the buyouts. Idk, maybe he gets more. But if they’re moving him at all, it’s because they can’t afford him and I think Ottawa and NJ will understand that.

I get the equivalencies youre trying to make but I just dont see how a young point per game forward would be moved for that. If thats all MIN is offered I bet they move other players instead of Fiala to make the cap work. In the end I think one of OTT/LAK/NJD/etc would step up with a better offer

Gritsyuk is a very solid prospect

He's expected to be one of those late bloomer Russian prospects

He made the Russian Olympic team at the age of 20 and has a similar points per game to other NHL Stars who played in Russia

I think it's funny that you think Fiala without contract returns Holtz+ but you said earlier that Guentzel, who has 2 years on his contract at 6m cap hit and is more proven can't get a player like Boldy or Caufield. So which one is it?