If you are going to trade Sandin, get a legit NHL ready forward or goalie prospect instead of a backup and 2 2nds. Toronto doesn't need the futures, they need roster impactful players. Driedger is at all time low value right now, and Kerfoot alone is worth a 2nd, adding Kase increases the value

I still don’t understand why Toronto threads always send holl or kerfoot to the wild. The wild will never want either.

why would the sharks do that?

Why on earth would they not do it? That's a great deal for them.

MN declines

No it isn’t. Take out a 2nd and engvall and chance the other 2nd to like a 5th

no it isn't. its a great deal for Toronto.
Engval isn't worth a 2nd, Sandin is redundant on our team, we have Ferraro who is similar.
I made a mistake and thought it was Kerfoot and Sandin and didn't like it, Engval and Sandin for Hill and 2 2nds is highway robbery.

Holl+2nd for 7th

You realize Driedger is likely out until sometime the new year, right? Regardless, Seattle will pass on a deal for Kerfoot and Kase, especially for picks in this years draft. But I'm sure you don't care, so if you wanna know why, hit me back!! LOL

LOL not a chance. Hill has very little value, whereas Sandin has a lot of value. The difference between them is probably a first round pick, not a 5th.



It's an awful deal for Toronto. Hill for Engvall is probably fair value, and Sandin for 2 2nds is not good for Toronto at all. He's worth way more.

-Minnesota is a terrible landing spot for Holl. They're stacked with defensemen and don't need another 3rd pair guy making $2M with the cap crunch they're in. And he's worth a single 4th rounder, max.

-San Jose says yes so fast you don't even know what happened. Sandin is a huge overpay for Hill.

-Driedger tore his ACL and is out 7-9 months. He still might be better in goal with Mrazek even with that injury, but I feel like there are better options out there.

I would take it. Probably better value for you to swap Reimer in

then go get more!

Ok, I’d be happy to. You can keep Hill and run 3 goalies.

that sandin trade is rough for us. id rather sign him.

someone will pay a fair amount for one of them I'm not worried, but giving up 2nds during a rebuild is counterproductive.

It's not when you get a young stud like Sandin, who's young enough to contribute when your top prospects are in their prime, and is definitely worth more than 2 2nds.

But we already have a similar player in age and skill and size who is also a LD in Ferraro who we love, and with Merkley 5'10 (in skates maybe lol) Ferraro 5'11" and Karlsson 5'11" we need to focus on getting D with some size to offset those guys.

Ya, that's fair, I'm not saying the sharks should be targeting Sandin, he would be fine but he wouldn't be a need for them, it's more that the leafs don't want to give him up unless they are getting a big upgrade in goal.

full disclosure had we not had Feraro, I would be driving to Toronto to pick him up and help him pack!

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Ferraro more of a 2 way guy? Because Sandin is an offence first guy. I don’t see them a similar players.

Ferraro is more 2 way but has offensive skill, but with playing with Burns or Karlsson he has focused way more on the defensive side, if he had a defensive mate he would be way more offensive.

Oh ok, that makes sense.

Why do people keep giving Lyubushkin a low ball amount and he is your top pairing guy?