the devils.

New Jersey

The team with the second overall pick.

J.T. Miller is not worth 2 OA lmfao. You might be able to pull some 20-32 pick, but even then 33-64 is more in the ballpark with another 2nd round or 3rd round from a future draft.

the devils lol

I agree the devils say no, but you are saying you think JT Miller is worth a 2nd and 3rd?

In 2022 deep draft and 2023 deep draft yes, if it was not as deep no he'd be worth a 1st. Way too much to invest in this draft with amazing prospects.

I think the nucks will be upset with the return but he’s definitely bring back a 1st plus at the bare minimum

Canuck fans will be disappointed with a 1st, 2 top prospects and a roster player to balance cap space. They want McDavid level return

I could see muller going for a 1st and prospect knowing it’s only for 1 year now. The price is just gonna get lower the longer they hold on to him

Ok so let's say, for a second, that the Blues were going to trade Tarasenko.

Scored 17 pts less than Miller, a year older, doesn't play center, and hasn't killed penalties.

What would they get in your eyes for Tarsenko, two 3rds?

No we don't

He'll return 3 marquee pieces minimum. A hypothetical package will most likely comprise of a mid-late 1st, a top prospect, and a quality roster player

It'll still be a good package at the deadline but wanting 2nd overall picks, or 2 top prospects, a 1st and a 2nd and not retain salary is just silly.

Yup looks like Devil fans are showing you your expectations are beyond ridiculous.

They're not my expectations, they're may fellow Canuck fans expectations

I think you forget all of our previous conversations.

No I don't, you're making false accusations like you always do

You are just gonzo eh?

You are

I mean with 3 shoulder injuries, had 1 production season, and is a rental I think the most you could get is a 2nd and 3rd anyway. and it's Tarasenko not Tarsenko and for the record. JT Miller is a product of the players he is with playing with assists. Tarasenko had more production scoring wise. Biggest takeaway Miller is 17 percentile for forwards on PK so not that it means much. His QoT (Quality of Teammate) is way better than QoC (Quality of Competition) and JT really can't play defense where as Competition was way better than his teammates for Tarasenko he has a better A1/60 and a better G/60 and is better than 89% of players when finishing and has played well on the PP. So the basic point production numbers doesn't mean a ton in the grand scheme of things, but yes I don't think anyone would pay more than 2 3rds for Tarasenko.

Is this supposed to be a hard pick?

I'm glad your reading comprehension let you see I spelled it right at first, so I clearly knew how to spell it and later made a mistake Nice catch!

These are some insanely cherry picked stats though lmfao. Just for fun though, here's some context for your stats.

- Tarasenko's most common even strength linemates (Thomas 77 pts, and Buchnevich 76 pts) outscored the rest of Vancouver's forwards, so if anyone benefited from their linemates it's Tarasenko. Especially considering JT Miller's most common even strength linemates were Boeser (46 pts) and Pearson (34 pts).
- JT Miller led the Canucks forwards in short handed time on ice per game, and had the 15th most shorthanded minutes in the league amongst forwards. I have no idea what 17th percentile you were talking about.
- Due to his large SHTOI, his overall scoring rates get tanked because he spends a lot of minutes... killing penalties. I'm going to assume you didn't account for this, because I checked it for A1/60 and took our Miller's PK time, he's at 1.42 A1/60 and Tarasenko is at 1.28. Seems like you forgot to adjust.
- Tarasenko had 5g and 17a on the PP, vs Miller's 8g and 30a, so it's weird to try and flex Tarasenko being good on the PP.
- Miller is a good defensive forward, what are you talking about?
- Would *love* a source on your QoT and QoC claims, because based on the previous notes, I honestly don't think you understand how those work. From what I see on LWL, Miller had the 3rd highest QoC on the Canucks last season, and Tarasenko had like the 7th or 8th highest on the Blues, so I just can't take your word for this one.


Honestly, I'll just wait for a JT Miller trade to definitively prove your evaluation wrong. As deep as these drafts are, you are insanely overvaluing draft picks. Tarasenko would get a 1st and a good prospect, and Miller will get another asset more than that.

JT Miller can't play defense? You couldn't be more wrong

Secondly, Miller is NOT a product of the players he plays with. He is more than capable of driving his own line offensively