Quality over quantity. Jackets turn that deal down.

I think you have the right idea but struggle to get the right value, which I do to.
Drouin trade is all over, but I dont mind it
I would combine your two NYR trades. I personally wouldnt trade Allen and would do the rights to Montembeault instead, but I dont mind the idea here. Lundkvist is a solid B prospect, would be surprised if thats what we would be able to get out of it. Would rather draft capital instead.
Nicely done with your CBJ trade. I could see CBJ wanting a defensive prospect instead, though I like this.
Im not a huge fan of this Philly trade, but again I think you have the right idea so i would like to suggest something. I think firstly take off either columbus' first, as I would say Philly would likely just do PHI 1st and Ratcliffe for Anderson and a 2nd. Alternatively, maybe take off Anderson and add Farrell or someone like that to the package, especially if Philly finally decides to call the rebuild.
I think you have the value quite wrong on the Petry trade. I have petry at a reduced price for a 2nd and Dellandrea on my thread I believe. Anymore than that is definitely pushing it.
Well done all around though bud, I know this is a lot of critiques but I think you really did have the right ideas, just not quite the information on values and such.

Rangers decline on both.

Why would we trade for Georgiev? We don’t need a sieve!

Actually wait yeah we do let’s get Bedard!

LMAO, what do you think 12th is worth, Caufield + Suzuki?! Moving from 26th to 12th range (14 spots only costs the Habs 2nd. Don't believe me check out the Detroit trade last year, Detroit traded picks 23 + 48 + 138 to Dallas for pick 15 (8 spots) therefore picks 26 + 33 gets you to 12 easily (possibly to 10th) adding Ferrall should get you to 6-10th. All this to say that there is no way Columbus turns that down.

The issue is not the worth, it's what Columbus needs. They don't need quantity, they need quality. Take it down a notch.

They're just saying that the Jackets want fewer high value assets back than several lower value. The Jackets don't have to trade anything at all, and if Montreal is that desperate to move up to 12, the Jackets get to set the price.

Farrell is quality, the 26th pick is quality and the 36th pick is quality. That is 3 quality pieces when realistically it only costs the 26th pick + one of Farrell or the 33rd pick or the 36th pick to move up to 12th. Again look at last years Detroit trade, they got 15th for 23rd + 48th + 138th. The original offer is a huge overpayment and it is ridiculous to say that they pass as there is not enough quality.

Farrell is a winger and therefore worthless to us. Reiterating so that's unambiguous and clear: Farrell is a winger and that makes him worthless to us. Worthlessness is the opposite of quality.

The 26th and 36th picks are not quality on the level of the 12th pick. Therefore they are not sufficient.

They're all depth pieces with significantly reduced chances of becoming real NHL assets or high quality players. That's simply how the draft works. The Jackets want a shot at another Cole Sillinger, not a bunch of guys that might never play in the league.

You keep missing the point, so I will reiterate it for you look at last years Detroit trade, they got 15th for 23rd + 48th + 138th that is the equivalent of 26th + 33rd. You can say all you want about it not being worth it for 12th but history tells us that, that is approximately the actual cost.

And you're ignoring that Columbus doesn't need depth. It needs high quality players like what they could get with 12th OA. Do you think they would trade Cole Sillinger do that return? Then why would they trade a pick that can get them another player in that quality range for it?

You can make that point all you want. We're telling you it's not relevant. The value in a vacuum is meaningless if the trade itself isn't something enticing.

Incorrect. The actual cost is what we say it is, because it is our pick, and we tell you when we are willing to sell what we own. The market can set estimates, but it cannot set prices. And the price for one of the Jackets' picks has been clearly elucidated by Kekalainen: someone who will be a major contributor to this team for the next 10 years, since that's what he expects to get - and don't you even DARE try and start babbling about Farrell as though he comes anywhere near meeting that requirement in any possible capacity because nobody here has any tolerance left for your nonsense.

Detroit was willing to trade down. The Jackets aren't. That's an end to any debate. Your attempting to push this point futher is merely compounding your essential failure.

You'll be disappointed as this draft has about 5-8 good prospects and a bunch of maybes. 12-26 aint much of a difference in a covid year of development. Be Thankful Stan Bowman was feeling generous with the number 6 pick.

I heard the same thing all week yet Jarmo just paid a 4th for a winger from the Preds so there goes that theory that your GM is somehow allergic to wingers.

Quit trade negging.

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We've phrased it that way because the Internet is incapable of nuance. There were in fact three kinds of wingers that we'd actually pay any attention to:
1) Honest to G-d superstars (think Mitch Marner)
2) Guys who clearly make their team better, as per analytics and sheer hustle (think Conor Garland)
3) MAYBE someone who'd add grit, at an extremely low price; preferably NHL minimum or so

Olivier met qualification #3, and even then many of us think of it as just paying a 4th to shut Oilers and Bruins fans up w/r/t their constant Kassian and/or Foligno proposals. Farrell does not fit in any of those.

I am not pushing any trade, I frankly don't like giving up this many peices for a guy who only has a 50% ish chance of making the NHL. My argument is simply the price you think other teams are willing to pay. You keep forgetting that it takes 2 to make a trade. You seem to think that you can just strong arm everyone into making bad trades because it benefits your team. You can babble on all you want about setting the price but without another team willing to pay that ridiculous price you are not going to get what you think you are, especially when recent history has already set the precedence.

The Jackets aren't trying to move the pick dude. Jarmo has stated what it would take for the pick to be moved. These constant trade down proposals from Montreal fans aren't it no matter how much you think it meets the value. The return it would take to get either 1st has been plainly stated so just stop trying to argue that some combination of lesser picks and assets should be acceptable when it flat out isn't to the CBJ.

Guess Hughes is pretty stupid for making such an effort to move up. Montreal should really be holding on to all their lottery tickets instead.

Listen, I understand your frustration at the proposals coming from our fan base. I personally dont think I have never made a proposal to the Jackets for either pick cause I don't see a fit. My only argument has ever been on the actual value of the cost to acquire the picks. I know the Jackets want one of the 3 types of wingers listed above but let's be realistic my friend they aren't getting the 1st type of winger (mitch marner level) with both of those picks combined. The second type of winger (Garland) also costs the Jackets a 2nd and maybe a 3rd as well on top of either 1st as is the case with most established young players. So while we are in agreement that Columbus should use the pick to go after someone like Garland (cause let's face it you aren't going to be able to go after a Marner type at all) instead of what this package offers, value wise in a vacuum the pick is not worth more than what I have stated. Fit is a totally different animal than value and the only thing I have argued was value.

Literally your first point was that there is no way Columbus would turn down the proposal from OP. Every CBJ viewpoint in here has been trying to explain why they wouldn't accept the trade and that value doesn't matter. The Jackets are also not after wingers. Center and RD is still their most needed position.

Because value wise it wouldn't be turned down by even the dumbest of GM's. They wouldn't pass on overpayment even if the fit is not there. I think you should look at what Viqsi said about going after wingers before you say again that the Jackets don't want wingers lol. At least get on the same page about what your needs are lol

Alright, you keep on saying that despite the GM literally stating what the only situation that would interest him in moving the pick for would be. I guess you just know better.

I guess I do