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Muzzin and tkachuk

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Initial Creation Date: Jul. 21, 2022
Published: Jul. 21, 2022
Team: 2022-23 New Jersey Devils
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Tkachuk, Matthew8$10,000,000
Bratt, Jesper1$5,000,000
Wood, Miles2$2,500,000
Zetterlund, Fabian1$950,000
Trades
1.
NJD
  1. Muzzin, Jake
TOR
  1. Boqvist, Jesper [RFA Rights]
  2. 2024 4th round pick (NJD)
2.
NJD
  1. Tkachuk, Matthew [RFA Rights]
CGY
  1. Tatar, Tomas
  2. Holtz, Alexander
  3. Foote, Nolan
  4. 2023 1st round pick (NJD)
  5. 2024 2nd round pick (NJD)
3.
NJD
  1. Thomson, Lassi
  2. 2023 1st round pick (OTT)
OTT
  1. Severson, Damon
Buyouts
  • Cory Schneider: $2,000,000
  • Janne Kuokkanen: $200,000
Recapture Fees
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000
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2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$82,500,000$82,285,834$0$400,000$214,166
Left WingCenterRight Wing
Tkachuk, Matthew
$10,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
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Hughes, Jack
$8,000,000
C
UFA - 8
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Mercer, Dawson
$894,167
C, RW
RFA - 2
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Palat, Ondrej
$6,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 5
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Hischier, Nico
$7,250,000
C
UFA - 5
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Bratt, Jesper
$5,000,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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Mcleod, Michael
$975,000
C
RFA - 1
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Sharangovich, Yegor
$2,000,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
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Wood, Miles
$2,500,000
LW
UFA - 1
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Haula, Erik
$2,375,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Bastian, Nathan
$825,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Hamilton, Dougie
$9,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
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Vanecek, Vitek
$3,400,000
G
UFA - 3
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Graves, Ryan
$3,166,667
LD
UFA - 1
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Marino, John
$4,400,000
RD
UFA - 5
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Blackwood, Mackenzie
$2,800,000
G
RFA - 1
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Siegenthaler, Jonas
$1,125,000
LD
UFA - 1
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Smith, Brendan
$1,100,000
LD/RD, LW
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Bernier, Jonathan
$4,125,000
G
UFA - 1

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Jul. 21 at 8:00 p.m.
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Leafs take that before you change your mind
Jul. 21 at 8:03 p.m.
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Already not really cap compliant. And next year we wouldn't be able to pay Shango, Bratt and Sieg because of Muzzin's terrible cap hit.

Devils don't need to pay assets for a 5.6m 3rd pairing defencemen. All due respect to him, there's just no fit in NJ for Muzzin.
Jul. 21 at 8:04 p.m.
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Jul. 21 at 8:07 p.m.
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Did Leafs fans and Canadians fans make some sort of unholy pact to pretend their cap dumps are actually good players? New Jersey doesn’t want Muzzin! Nobody wants Muzzin! What is hard to understand about this?
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Jul. 21 at 8:09 p.m.
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Did Leafs fans and Canadians fans make some sort of unholy pact to pretend their cap dumps are actually good players? New Jersey doesn’t want Muzzin! Nobody wants Muzzin! What is hard to understand about this?


If Muzzin is healthy he is worth that deal thats just the big if
Jul. 21 at 8:12 p.m.
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Muzzin doesn't waive. Muzzin likely isn't worth his contract. No way the Sens give up so much for a one year rental.
Jul. 21 at 8:13 p.m.
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If Muzzin is healthy he is worth that deal thats just the big if


He’s worthless cause he’s too big an injury risk
Jul. 21 at 8:18 p.m.
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Did Leafs fans and Canadians fans make some sort of unholy pact to pretend their cap dumps are actually good players? New Jersey doesn’t want Muzzin! Nobody wants Muzzin! What is hard to understand about this?


While I understand that he is not necessarily a fit for NJ, saying that Muzzin isn't good and nobody wants him is just pure wrong. If you saw him in the playoffs you would understand that he is still very much a competent defenseman and is not a cap dump. Yes, injuries were a problem last year, which is one of the reasons he was not very good, but he was also playing with Justin Holl a lot, which did not help his case either.

This is where the media attention really bites the Leafs in the ass, because if he wasn't a Leaf, he'd definitely not be as hated by fans of other teams.

If he is traded, will they get much back? No. The NTC and his age/health concerns do affect that. I could see a 4th, but not much else. However, there are young teams out there who could use a guy like him the next two years to be a leader to their core, as well as be a cost-efficient option to do so (Only $6M owed). There could also be a third team that retains some, and then his value skyrockets because he is not actually awful, he just had a season filled with injuries that scare people when they see his age.
Jul. 21 at 8:18 p.m.
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Severson is interesting, but that's an insane price for Ottawa for a pending free agent. Don't think he'd be a top 3 option for me
Jul. 21 at 8:24 p.m.
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While I understand that he is not necessarily a fit for NJ, saying that Muzzin isn't good and nobody wants him is just pure wrong. If you saw him in the playoffs you would understand that he is still very much a competent defenseman and is not a cap dump. Yes, injuries were a problem last year, which is one of the reasons he was not very good, but he was also playing with Justin Holl a lot, which did not help his case either.

This is where the media attention really bites the Leafs in the ass, because if he wasn't a Leaf, he'd definitely not be as hated by fans of other teams.

If he is traded, will they get much back? No. The NTC and his age/health concerns do affect that. I could see a 4th, but not much else. However, there are young teams out there who could use a guy like him the next two years to be a leader to their core, as well as be a cost-efficient option to do so (Only $6M owed). There could also be a third team that retains some, and then his value skyrockets because he is not actually awful, he just had a season filled with injuries that scare people when they see his age.


I saw him in the playoffs. He’s fine. He’s too injury prone and he’s old.
Jul. 21 at 8:33 p.m.
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I saw him in the playoffs. He’s fine. He’s too injury prone and he’s old.


But McDonagh had injuries too? Didn't he have an upper-body one where he missed a couple weeks? And then he "mangled" his finger in the playoffs, but he still got a pretty damn good return. I know Muzzin's would be NOWHERE near that, but I still doubt that he is a dump.
Jul. 21 at 8:34 p.m.
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But McDonagh had injuries too? Didn't he have an upper-body one where he missed a couple weeks? And then he "mangled" his finger in the playoffs, but he still got a pretty damn good return. I know Muzzin's would be NOWHERE near that, but I still doubt that he is a dump.


MCD is way better and he didn’t get enough in return. He’s just one of those guys who is going to be an exception to the norm as he ages. It’s kind of like how Brent Burns can still play. Only Burns had to play with a lot of guys who didn’t age as gracefully as he did in San Jose lol.
Jul. 21 at 8:35 p.m.
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But McDonagh had injuries too? Didn't he have an upper-body one where he missed a couple weeks? And then he "mangled" his finger in the playoffs, but he still got a pretty damn good return. I know Muzzin's would be NOWHERE near that, but I still doubt that he is a dump.


You know I think the playoffs helped Muzzin. It’s just that I’m very risk averse when it comes to guys who r older and have an injury history. Maybe there is a Gm that would be stupid enough to move for Muzzin if not for the flat cap.
Jul. 21 at 8:38 p.m.
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You know I think the playoffs helped Muzzin. It’s just that I’m very risk averse when it comes to guys who r older and have an injury history. Maybe there is a Gm that would be stupid enough to move for Muzzin if not for the flat cap.


I just think he could be moved to A) a non-contender looking for a role model and leadership, or B) a third party team, who then retains and flips him to a potential playoff team with enough space to accommodate. Leafs really wouldn't be getting anything back, at most a 4th.
Jul. 21 at 8:47 p.m.
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Still have to add Bratt to the tkachuk trade
Jul. 21 at 8:52 p.m.
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I just think he could be moved to A) a non-contender looking for a role model and leadership, or B) a third party team, who then retains and flips him to a potential playoff team with enough space to accommodate. Leafs really wouldn't be getting anything back, at most a 4th.


I think it’s very unlikely a team takes Muzzin for free with the flat cap.
 
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