Dubas is a bad GM is the point of this post

This team is really good lol. Actually hilarious to think dubas could’ve just done literally nothing and it would have been better

The explosion of "Dubas sucks" talk will be crazy if he's fired. I think everyone is still kinda clenching in anticipation of him potentially getting the Leafs out of the 1st round.

Honestly I want to see the memes keep up but the funniest thing to me would be the leafs winning the first round and then losing in the 2nd and then dubas gets fired and then leafs fans wouldn’t have the argument of “he wasn’t able to build a team that could win a round” and their main argument is out the door

much better more balanced team. still think campbell is a mistake

It's really sad. We could have been better with a scarecrow as GM...

Why?

I would put Hyman back in there

what part. better and more balanced or campbell sucking.

I think Campbell was their best option for a goalie this offseason, that contract might not turn out great but he’ll still be better than Murray and 32 year old Kuemper

Yeah, lou really messed up with that marleau deal eh? Totally hooped the leafs.

Hilarious post -- you almost caught me there! I was about to write that "there's no way we would trade any one of those guys for Jake Muzzin, let alone all three," and then it struck me why their names all sounded so familiar to me in conjunction with each other.

This team is compliant now, but not making any moves dating that far back would have led to different things. No reason to think the Leafs would have drafted Jarvis or if they did maybe he never pans out until after he was traded.

Also, instead of it being 6 consecutive first round exits, it could be 4 playoff misses and 2 first round exits, with a 3rd and 4th coming up.

Think of what Jarvis could be like on that team....

carter verhaeghe too!

Can do this with any team, but doesn't mean they would have drafted x player, signings would be different, player development and retention as well.

Yes but dubas is comical. If you take away all of the contending teams past 5 years, the teams would all be worse, except for the leafs. Sure it’s not an exact science but the fact is is that if the leafs literally did nothing, they would be looking much better.

Might just be like Nick Robertson on the Leafs now, and then gets traded at age 25 or something like that and becomes the next Marchment or a career AHLer.

It's not a science at all, it's just a delusion. That Toronto team would be weaker, so maybe Marchment and other guys would have been able to crack the roster but the results are likely going to be worse. The LA guys are finally breaking out now, Marchment broke out now. Not sure why Gio would be taking a paycut either or Reilly.

Dubas will be comical if his teams never get results, not because of good moves that he made to improve the team and moves he was forced to make to clear cap compared to the hypothetical team that they COULD have had.

With the Atlantic getting significantly better this off-season, I wonder what would happen if the Leafs choked and missed the playoffs?

What they could of had is all a product of one move. Signing JT. They don’t do that, they are actual contenders. Also I never claimed it was science. I said “sure it’s not an exact science”. Implying it’s not science. Dubas is comical because of how he had mismanaged assets because of being cap strapped and where does that come from? JT. Leafs are a poverty franchise and enjoy the longest cup drought in NHL history.

Hindsight is 20/20 but even in hindsight why would they not sign Tavares, a superstar that has helped them become a better team, even if it hasn't been to win a series? They had Kadri and he could have been their 2C but he wouldn't have made them win a series. He probably would have had 4 consecutive series ending suspensions. His contributions to the AVS cups doesn't change what he did in Toronto and Colorado the previous 3-years. It's like saying Dallas messed up moving Nichushkin who was trash on their team.

As for Dubas mismanaging assets, that's not really true. Trading a 1st for Foligno is no different than doing it for Chariot, Savard, or Hagel, fans are going to bash their gms if their team doesn't win the cup but praise them if they win, even if the results of the loss/win might not be that player. So trading for a rental is not bad asset management if your team is good enough to win. That being said Dubas has made mistakes and he fixed them which cost them assets, and he had to fix Lou's mistakes. That isn't bad asset management either, nor is trading AHLers you can't crack the line up because the expectations of them are high and they don't get the time that they need.

As for the Leafs being a poverty franchise and enjoying the longest cup drought, Dubas only contributed to 5 years. So not really relevant to him. That being said, at least the Leafs are providing other fanbases with laughs and are among one of the teams who carry the League through profit sharing.

Riots and probably new management. They are probably going to be one of the top teams again though, unless goaltending tanks them.

That's what was said about the Islanders before this season though.

If you are talking about the potential consequences, the Islanders had a coaching change, Lou is the President and GM, so the next stage would be that he hires a guy. Their expectations are high because of their post-season success, not even the same type of market. The only way I could see both Shanahan and Dubas keeping their jobs with the Leafs missing the playoffs is if they had good goaltending, and they got shut out by 5 other Atlantic teams getting 100+ pts and they were close or their top 6 was injured.

If you are talking about me saying that they are probably a top team, the Islanders can't run and gun their way to the post season. I already qualified my previous statement by saying goaltending could tank them.