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Team: 2022-23 Vegas Golden Knights
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 11, 2022
Published: Aug. 11, 2022
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  1. Brossoit, Laurent
  2. Morozov, Ivan
  3. 2023 1st round pick (VGK)
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:04 p.m.
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No
Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:04 p.m.
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:07 p.m.
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Anaheim declines, not even close to Anaheim's asking price for Gibson
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:10 p.m.
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How close is something like:

VGK: Gibson
ANA: Brisson, Brossoit, 1st

I know Brisson had a good year statistically. Haven’t watched him much at all though
Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:10 p.m.
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Ducks are not moving Gibson, ducks sure as **** aren't moving Gibson for that.

Sending the face of the franchise to a division rival that we already hate from the Shea Theodore debacle will take a kings ransom.
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:13 p.m.
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Ducks fans talking about Gibson like he's Hasek or Roy is so sad
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:19 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Ducks fans talking about Gibson like he's Hasek or Roy is so sad


you think a mid prospect, mid goalie, and 2 picks is good enough for a top 10 goalie??
Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:23 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Ducks fans talking about Gibson like he's Hasek or Roy is so sad


He may not be the goalie who terrorized the pacific division a few seasons ago and single handedly kept the Ducks a playoff contender, but he is still young enough to bounce back, he is still an all star goalie, largely stays healthy, and plays a style of goaltending that is likely going to keep him in the game longer than a pure blocking goalie, and is much more exciting to watch him play than someone like Lehner.

He also doesn't want to leave Anaheim, and Anaheim isn't particularly interested in moving him. Even if we were, we wouldn't send him to anyone in the western conference, let alone our own division, and sure as **** not a hated rival only a few hours away.
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:27 p.m.
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Quoting: gary_gobbler
you think a mid prospect, mid goalie, and 2 picks is good enough for a top 10 goalie??


I don't think he's a top 10 goalie and I think his AAV and term make him even less valuable in a trade not to mention his NTC
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:30 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I don't think he's a top 10 goalie and I think his AAV and term make him even less valuable in a trade not to mention his NTC


his NTC is only 10 teams, unlikely vegas is on there. He could easily be a top 10 goalie on a solid team. he's only 29..
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:35 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
I don't think he's a top 10 goalie and I think his AAV and term make him even less valuable in a trade not to mention his NTC


We think he is a top 10 goalie, we think he is an all star, we are very happy with the contract we have him signed to, and the fan base loves the guy. You don't ship out franchise players still in their prime years for anything less than highway robbery.
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:36 p.m.
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
We think he is a top 10 goalie, we think he is an all star, we are very happy with the contract we have him signed to, and the fan base loves the guy. You don't ship out franchise players still in their prime years for anything less than highway robbery.


And your post here is why I said this is sad
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:39 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
And your post here is why I said this is sad


Whatever man, we like him and like watching him play, he gets butts in seats.

We're not in the habit of shipping off the face of our franchise to rot in the desert for spare parts.
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:46 p.m.
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
Whatever man, we like him and like watching him play, he gets butts in seats.

We're not in the habit of shipping off the face of our franchise to rot in the desert for spare parts.


I’ll be honest man I think you’re a bit too firm on your take. Gibson is totally solid. He is an all-star. He’s debatable top 10 just because his consistency hasn’t been there the lately (albeit with god awful defense in front of him).

But he 100% is not the face of the franchise. His contract is significant. And his prime will be behind him when the Ducks are competing. I’m totally a fan of his, but 100% support moving him for pieces that will actually help us in our cup window. This trade isn’t it. But sub Morozov for Brisson and we’re starting to look at a pretty attractive package
Aug. 11, 2022 at 2:47 p.m.
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seems to me like you should be sending lehner back
Aug. 11, 2022 at 3:03 p.m.
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I’ll be honest man I think you’re a bit too firm on your take. Gibson is totally solid. He is an all-star. He’s debatable top 10 just because his consistency hasn’t been there the lately (albeit with god awful defense in front of him).

But he 100% is not the face of the franchise. His contract is significant. And his prime will be behind him when the Ducks are competing. I’m totally a fan of his, but 100% support moving him for pieces that will actually help us in our cup window. This trade isn’t it. But sub Morozov for Brisson and we’re starting to look at a pretty attractive package


move him for the right price, this isn't close or worth it at all.
Aug. 11, 2022 at 3:06 p.m.
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Quoting: gary_gobbler
move him for the right price, this isn't close or worth it at all.


I agreed and proposed a substitute. Do you have a take on that?
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 3:06 p.m.
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After the way Vegas f*cked over Anaheim with the Dadanov trade. You’d be lucky to have Verbeek pick up the phone yet alone look at this trade.
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Aug. 11, 2022 at 3:10 p.m.
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I agreed and proposed a substitute. Do you have a take on that?


Brisson over Morozov in that trade for sure, if Gibson did end up going to Vegas, vgk 1st would more then likely be a later first, so that 4th rounder will probably have to be a higher pick.
Aug. 11, 2022 at 3:12 p.m.
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I agreed and proposed a substitute. Do you have a take on that?


something will also have to happen with lehner, maybe him going back? or else vegas will just have another fleury problem, and trade lehner for peanuts.
Aug. 11, 2022 at 3:26 p.m.
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Gotta add big time to pry Gibson loose when Anahiem clearly wants to keep the guy hes unreal. I have him ranked in the top 10 in the league.

Id have the value at Two Conditional 1sts, Brossoit and B+ Prospect.
Aug. 11, 2022 at 3:30 p.m.
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Gotta add big time to pry Gibson loose when Anahiem clearly wants to keep the guy hes unreal. I have him ranked in the top 10 in the league.

Id have the value at Two Conditional 1sts, Brossoit and B+ Prospect.


I like Brisson included no matter what. Someone already drafted who’s panning out well and can help in the near future as the team starts to take shape
Aug. 11, 2022 at 4:08 p.m.
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I’ll be honest man I think you’re a bit too firm on your take. Gibson is totally solid. He is an all-star. He’s debatable top 10 just because his consistency hasn’t been there the lately (albeit with god awful defense in front of him).

But he 100% is not the face of the franchise. His contract is significant. And his prime will be behind him when the Ducks are competing. I’m totally a fan of his, but 100% support moving him for pieces that will actually help us in our cup window. This trade isn’t it. But sub Morozov for Brisson and we’re starting to look at a pretty attractive package


The amount of promotional material that he is on would beg to differ about him being the face of the franchise. His time in that spotlight may be limited as Zegras, Terry, and McTavish continue to develop, but for right now, he is still our biggest name.

I'm also of the opinion that Gibson will be one of the goalies that stays good deep into his 30s based on his durability and style of play. He works in a lot of non butterfly saves into his game which is reducing wear and tear on his hips and knees. The guy I would track his trajectory to is Marc Andre Fleury, who is still a great goalie at 37, and won a Vezina at 35.

Its true, he hasn't been the world beater the last couple of seasons that he used to be, but I think that comes down to frustration that the team just isn't competitive. We've been shelling the guy for four seasons in a row now, giving him next to no goal support. Last year was the first season we had put up over a 200 GF pace since 17-18 when we put up 235, but we gutted the defense in front of him. You can't ask a guy to give it his all night in and night out when he knows the team can't provide the support needed to win. The world beater is still in him, he just needs the team to be there with him, and I think we are starting to turn that corner.
Aug. 11, 2022 at 4:25 p.m.
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
The amount of promotional material that he is on would beg to differ about him being the face of the franchise. His time in that spotlight may be limited as Zegras, Terry, and McTavish continue to develop, but for right now, he is still our biggest name.

I'm also of the opinion that Gibson will be one of the goalies that stays good deep into his 30s based on his durability and style of play. He works in a lot of non butterfly saves into his game which is reducing wear and tear on his hips and knees. The guy I would track his trajectory to is Marc Andre Fleury, who is still a great goalie at 37, and won a Vezina at 35.

Its true, he hasn't been the world beater the last couple of seasons that he used to be, but I think that comes down to frustration that the team just isn't competitive. We've been shelling the guy for four seasons in a row now, giving him next to no goal support. Last year was the first season we had put up over a 200 GF pace since 17-18 when we put up 235, but we gutted the defense in front of him. You can't ask a guy to give it his all night in and night out when he knows the team can't provide the support needed to win. The world beater is still in him, he just needs the team to be there with him, and I think we are starting to turn that corner.


Zegras is one of the bigger names in the NHL now, let alone ANA. People don’t talk about Gibson. But agree to disagree. This disagreement is pretty beside the point so I’ll let it go.

I love your confidence in Gibby’s durability, but he constantly gets injured (15 injuries announced since 2017). Luckily they haven’t kept him out for long stretches for the most part, but he also declines significantly as the season rolls on most years. Both are red flags for durability as he gets older, especially the former. He won’t recover as well/quick as he ages.

Your last point I 100% agree with. I don’t doubt his ability, I do think a vast majority of his stats struggles are due to the team around him, and that he’s totally a debatable top 10 guy. But the lack of consistent stats will of course give other teams pause, which factors into value.

The main thing for me is the likelihood of him performing at all-star level in 2-3 years when the ducks are pushing feels questionable. And we have 2 very promising young guys to replace him in Dostal and Clang to rely on, with Stolarz to bridge between. Considering we can get pieces that can help us in our window (even if it’s a raw prospect that we move for a key piece later), that’s 100% worth it to me. Plus it gives him a chance to go fight for the cup in his prime years
Aug. 11, 2022 at 4:32 p.m.
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Gotta add big time to pry Gibson loose when Anahiem clearly wants to keep the guy hes unreal. I have him ranked in the top 10 in the league.

Id have the value at Two Conditional 1sts, Brossoit and B+ Prospect.

He hasn't been a top-10 goalie since 2018.
 
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