rather keep hog

Hahaha no. Why would Vancouver do that?

If the Canucks were to move Hoglander it'd be for a young RHD not another winger

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To switch things up. A change of scenery often benefits both players in a trade. Maybe Robertson flourishes on a new team. He still has potential to be a scoring winger.

Guy comes off a 24 point pace season. 'We'd trade him for a young RHD!'. Ya, sure you will. You'd be trading the lowest value position, winger, for the highest value position, right handed defenseman, and your winger just had a terrible season. Take into perspective what kind of 'young RHD' that would merit.

Robertson is 21 and Hoglander turns 22 in December, they are both very young. There's probably nothing to suggest that either needs a change in scenery. If anything it would probably hurt their development at this point, and would be an unnecessary risk for Tor and Van to get an unknown asset. The 3rd on top makes it that much worse for the Leafs.

Maybe when they are 23 respectively and not developing as expected, then it would be time that perhaps a change of scenery would benefit either guy. That being said Robertson has barely been a Leaf, so it would be more about trading him to a team that he can make the roster (assuming he does not make the Leafs).

Hoglander for Sandin could maybe work

Eh, I dunno. Sandin is due for a contract above league min while Hoglander has one more year remaining on his ELC

Hoglander is still very young. You wanna go lecture Red Wings fans about how low Zadina's value is?

Hoglander doesn't need a change of scenery just yet

Wouldn't Hoglander have to be good for him to get that kind of return? Cancuk fans need to take a long hard look in the mirror. The level of bias you guys have towards your team is beyond that of any fan base.

Nope, Hoglander is going to be a decent 3rd line player with limited offence but could be a good energy defensive forward if he develops properly. Sandin is already at the very least a high end 3rd pair defender with the skill and pedigree to play a top 4 role. He just happens to be on a really good team that prevents him from playing that role.

Just because a player has a sophomore slump doesn't mean they aren't good. Your level of bias is beyond any fanbase

We all see what you're doing there, and you should be able to recognize that not being able to crack the lineup on a good team isn't necessarily a good thing. Organizational depth is one thing, stifling a young player's development is another

Hoglander is going to be a 3rd liner in this league. And that's only if he tightens up defensively and focusses on being an energy defensive forward. Otherwise he will fizzle out. He just isn't that skilled. That doesn't mean he won't have value but to say he's a future top 6 forward is just silly. He has shown nothing to warrant that praise.

When the organizational depth of the Leafs has 6 NHL calibre LD's on their roster, doesn't that mean it's an organizational depth issue and not stifling a young players development? I suppose all teams should be like the Canucks and just not have NHL quality defenceman so they can throw kids in their or aging 7/8 defenceman and tell themselves it's all good. You have Schenn as a top 4 defenceman. I don't see any canuck fans saying that's a major problem and this is why you guys are now the winners in the hopeless homer Olympics

Hoglander is EXTREMELY skilled, he just doesn't have particularly high hockey sense

Canucks do have NHL quality defenseman, you can't even be truthful with yourself. Your rationale with the Leafs is nonsensical, you can't have both things at once. Schenn is capable of holding down an everyday roster spot. Yeah, ideally he slots in on the 3rd pair, but he's got far higher pedigree than a 7/8 defenseman. It's users like you that just wanna down player everything that's not the Leafs

That really not a good thing sir

I know, that's what player development is for, but saying that Hoglander isn't skilled couldn't be further from the truth

He bounced between the NHL and AHL for Tampa. He's a guy who you like having around if you have several injuries. He doesn't hold his own. Demko holds his own.

You can't really teach hockey sense. You have it or you don't. Kapanen has very little hockey sense but tonnes of speed. And he's never going to be anything more than a flash in the pan. Sounds like Hoglander is that.

Yeah, you could be right

That’s why it’s better to keep him. He brings more value to us by playing than in a trade. He had a textbook sophomore slump so there is no reaSon to trade him when his value is at an all time low