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Redoing Offseason - Is This Better Than The Actual Leafs

Created by: UpsideDownQue
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 26, 2022
Published: Sep. 26, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Sandin, Rasmus2$1,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Aston-Reese, Zach1$1,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Larsson, Johan1$1,000,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Kuemper, Darcy
WSH
    2.
    TOR
      OTT
      1. Murray, Matt
      2. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
      3. 2024 7th round pick (OTT)
      3.
      TOR
        LAK
        1. Muzzin, Jake
        2. Voit, Ty
        3. 2024 2nd round pick (TOR)
        4.
        TOR
        1. Niederreiter, Nino
        NSH
          5.
          TOR
            MIN
            1. Kerfoot, Alexander
            2. Holl, Justin
            3. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
            6.
            TOR
            1. 2023 1st round pick (NJD)
            2023 3rd round pick (NJD)
            Smith, Ty
            NJD
            1. Nylander, William
            7.
            TOR
              Marino, John
              PIT
                Smith, Ty
                2023 3rd Round Pick (NJD)
                8.
                TOR
                1. Marino, John
                NJD
                  9.
                  TOR
                  1. Perron, David
                  DET
                    10.
                    TOR
                    1. Kase, Ondrej
                    CAR
                      11.
                      TOR
                      1. Carlsson, Gabriel
                      WSH
                        DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
                        2023
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                        2024
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                        Logo of the TOR
                        2025
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                        ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
                        22$82,500,000$82,455,750$212,500$0$44,250
                        Left WingCenterRight Wing
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                        Bunting, Michael
                        $950,000
                        LW
                        UFA - 1
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                        Matthews, Auston
                        $11,640,250
                        C
                        UFA - 2
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                        Marner, Mitchell
                        $10,903,000
                        RW
                        UFA - 3
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                        Niederreiter, Nino
                        $4,000,000
                        LW, RW
                        UFA - 2
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                        Tavares, John
                        $11,000,000
                        C
                        NMC
                        UFA - 3
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                        Perron, David
                        $4,750,000
                        RW, LW
                        NTC
                        UFA - 2
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                        Engvall, Pierre
                        $2,250,000
                        LW, RW, C
                        UFA - 1
                        Larsson, Johan
                        $1,000,000
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                        Kase, Ondrej
                        $1,500,000
                        RW
                        UFA - 1
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                        Järnkrok, Calle
                        $2,100,000
                        C, LW, RW
                        NTC
                        UFA - 4
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                        Kämpf, David
                        $1,500,000
                        C
                        UFA - 1
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                        Aston-Reese, Zach
                        $1,000,000
                        LW, RW
                        UFA - 1
                        Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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                        Rielly, Morgan
                        $7,500,000
                        LD
                        NMC
                        UFA - 8
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                        Brodie, TJ
                        $5,000,000
                        LD/RD
                        NTC
                        UFA - 2
                        Logo of the WSH
                        Kuemper, Darcy
                        $5,250,000
                        G
                        NTC
                        UFA - 5
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                        Sandin, Rasmus
                        $1,750,000
                        LD
                        RFA - 2
                        Logo of the NJD
                        Marino, John
                        $4,400,000
                        RD
                        UFA - 5
                        Logo of the TOR
                        Samsonov, Ilya
                        $1,800,000
                        G
                        RFA - 1
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                        Giordano, Mark
                        $800,000
                        LD
                        UFA - 2
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                        Liljegren, Timothy
                        $1,400,000
                        RD
                        RFA - 2
                        ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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                        Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
                        $1,000,000
                        RW
                        UFA - 1
                        Logo of the WSH
                        Carlsson, Gabriel
                        $750,000
                        LD
                        RFA - 1

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                        Sep. 26 at 10:34 p.m.
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                        bottom 6 is horrendous
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                        Sep. 26 at 10:35 p.m.
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                        Quoting: Canucks123
                        bottom 6 is horrendous


                        What? Thats a pretty strong bottom 6, especially defensively
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                        Sep. 26 at 10:52 p.m.
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                        Wild aren't ruining their team and cap to take on your cap dumps. Trade them elsewhere. Wild again say no .
                        Sep. 26 at 10:54 p.m.
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                        Trouble is, there are three trades other teams would never make....Devils, Kings, Wild
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                        Sep. 26 at 11:01 p.m.
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                        Quoting: Wildnochance
                        Wild aren't ruining their team and cap to take on your cap dumps. Trade them elsewhere. Wild again say no .


                        Doesn't have to be the wild. That was just a cap dump it could be to any team for any price, that's not the point of this post
                        Sep. 26 at 11:05 p.m.
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                        Quoting: palhal
                        Trouble is, there are three trades other teams would never make....Devils, Kings, Wild


                        Kings amd Wild trades could be to anywhere for anything. Increase the picks if needed, that's not the point of the post

                        I don't think the NJD one is far off. Point per game winger for a mid 1st + 3rd + young NHLer/prospect is a pretty standard return, but you can tweak it if you want - that doesn't really affect the roster comparison
                        Sep. 26 at 11:08 p.m.
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                        Quoting: UpsideDownQue
                        Doesn't have to be the wild. That was just a cap dump it could be to any team for any price, that's not the point of this post


                        There are so few teams that can afford or even want cap dumps....that's the a point. Besides Kings certainly don't Muzzin for 5.6m X 2, non playoff Jersey isn't giving all that for two years of Nylander, and really try it find a team(s) that want M NTC Kerfoot and Holl.
                        Sep. 26 at 11:21 p.m.
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                        Quoting: palhal
                        There are so few teams that can afford or even want cap dumps....that's the a point. Besides Kings certainly don't Muzzin for 5.6m X 2, non playoff Jersey isn't giving all that for two years of Nylander, and really try it find a team(s) that want M NTC Kerfoot and Holl.


                        As of right now youre right, but these trades could be done near the beginning of the offseason. Tons of teams were moving big cap hits around (McDonagh, Burns, Pacioretty, Bjorkstrand, Dadonov/Weber, Murray, etc) and im sure a team wouldve taken a chance on Muzzin/Kerfoot/Holl before UFA opened up and teams used up all of their cap space, especially if they were being paid for it. Maybe its not LAK and MIN, but I think they couldve found a fit if they looked to move those guys earlier. Its the same thing the Leafs did with Murray - they needed a G and took a chance on an overpaid player while getting some assets in return. Similarly LAK needed LHD and may have taken Muzzin back if they also got some picks/prospects

                        Just because a team missed the playoffs doesnt mean they arent going to try to get better - NJD just signed Palat at age 31, if they were offered Nylander for a reasonable price before UFA opened up I think they would be interested
                        Sep. 26 at 11:31 p.m.
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                        Quoting: Canucks123
                        bottom 6 is horrendous


                        No, it's not
                        Sep. 26 at 11:36 p.m.
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                        I don’t know why you are taking heat for this: I think it is well thought out. At the end of the day, it’s probably a slightly better roster, but it’s always hard to know with wouldashouldacouldas because we don’t know if those players would have signed, we don’t know if those trades would have worked (I think they are fair though by the way), etc.. But I would have been happy if this is what happened in the off-season, I think it’s a bit better of a roster.

                        Quoting: Canucks123
                        bottom 6 is horrendous


                        ??? You are either a troll or know nothing about hockey.
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                        Sep. 27 at 3:54 a.m.
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                        no because why are you trading nylander💀
                        Sep. 27 at 6:18 a.m.
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                        do not Devil my ass
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                        Quoting: UpsideDownQue
                        Just because a team missed the playoffs doesnt mean they arent going to try to get better - NJD just signed Palat at age 31, if they were offered Nylander for a reasonable price before UFA opened up I think they would be interested


                        For me it's just that I'm very hesitant in having the Devils trade 1st rd picks at this point in time.
                        I want to see that this core is mature enough to make the playoffs by the strength of their own backs, I think that should be the benchmark for whether it's worthwhile to trade high picks for short term gain or not.

                        I love Nylander and I think the value you suggested in the trade favours the Devils.
                        But I'd much rather have Palat + getting to pick in the 10-20 range in a stacked 2023 draft would leave the Devils a lot better off in the long term.

                        I also think the Leafs would be hard pressed to find a better player at 7m than Nylander.
                        Willie's contract fits Toronto's competitive window perfectly, trading him would in almost every case be a mistake.
                        Sep. 27 at 6:54 a.m.
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                        This is nitpicky, but the Leafs offered Kase that same deal and he chose the Hurricanes.
                        Sep. 27 at 9:27 a.m.
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                        Quoting: palhal
                        Trouble is, there are three trades other teams would never make....Devils, Kings, Wild


                        THE devils trade is an underpay for nylander
                         
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