Schenn probably isn't an upgrade on Holl. Holl's playing the tough matchups on one of the better defensive teams in the league with a 39 year old Giordano as his partner and getting good results. Before that he played with Muzzin and succeeded there too. Leafs fans love to rag on the guy but he's done relatively well in the role for what he earns. CapFriendly probably won't like it but someone is going to give Holl a real contract next season, in the 4-5m range. The reason the Leafs would be picking Schenn up would be depth.

Points-wise, he has more. Defensively, he is incredibly underrated and better than Holl. I've seen them both play, Schenn was probably the 3rd best defenseman when I saw the Leafs play the Canucks. He elevated Quinn Hughes so well and probably could do the same to Rielly. Sounds like an upgrade to me.

Defensively, Holl is better. The 1 game you saw doesn't change that. His defensive results are better, his defensive analytics are better, etc. You can go down the line and basically everything will say Holl has been better defensively.

Two games. I'm not saying Holl is bad, I'm just saying Schenn is better, this is why he's underrated, not everybody recognizes what he can truly do.

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Schenn has more hits/60 and blocked shots/60. I will concede that Holl has a better giveaway to takeaway ratio(not by much), but Schenn can play big, tough grinding minutes and will be incredibly useful for the Leafs at even strength and on the PK were he can easily be the #1 guy.

You have describes what Schenn can do for Toronto as exactly the things Holl already does. I’m not sure that Schenn is an upgrade, if he is at all it’s marginal and not really worth the trade AND retention

KK is not a cap dump, despite your delusions, and the Canes aren’t going to be overpaying for Horvat.

It'll be hilarious when it's Vancouver that gives Holl 4x5 in the off-season to plug the giant holes they have on defense

Schenn is a downgrade on every right side defender the leafs have right now, all four of em

lol, he has like 4 more assists over 36 games, that's basically noise, and not too mention that Holl has outscored schenn every year they've been in the league together. Schenn used to be incredibly underrated.....as a cheap bottom pairing guy, but then he signed in vancouver and has become so hilariously over rated it's almost parody. He hasnt elevated his game, he's simply been in the eye of vancouver fans desperatly trying to find something good in that awful horrible defense. Ive seen them both play and Holl is much much much better than schenn, see he can play a top 4 roll and hold down top line ice time on one of the best teams in the league, Schenn cannot

Whatevs, done with you haters, also, "awful horrible", "roll"? Hopefully the new year brings you some grammar lessons...(jk)

lol, imagine saying something like "done with you haters" and then going full hater and trying to chirp on grammar? My goodness dude, are your sports takes so bad that you gotta bow out like that?

Canes happily accept

Demko's figures, either this season or over his career, aren't all that much superior to Petersen's that we have to include the first in that package.

If you're getting Kuzmenko. I wouldnt, exactly, be solely focused on what Schenn can do hehe not to mention these adds are cheap. Holl is more expensive than Schenn which means almost everything to a cap team.

all players are pending ufas and holl makes just over a million more than schenn and is going to a team with more than enough cap space, not to mention for some hilarious reason the leafs are retaining here. The cap space isnt remotly an issue. Hell, if the leafs are taking back a much worse player and retaining, vancouver needs to add

No we don’t

Schenn stands in front of the net until some comes close enough to hit and then he goes back to standing in front of the net. He never has the puck and is too slow to get it back. He wouldn't make the leafs unless two of Brodie, Liljegren, Holl and Timmins are hurt.

Schenn certainly isn't terrible and is a good guy to have down the line in case of injuries but he's just not all that good and he hasn't all of a sudden gotten better at 32. He is what he is and it's just not all that special.

Canes pass hard. Kotkaniemi is an ideal long term 3C for the Canes, not worth moving him out when he's just 22 and with the potential to be what Horvat is when they can just ride with the youth movement. Not paying that price to get older for 3 months. If they wait until July, the Canes can just swing for Horvat in free agency if they really want him

Cap wise the Leafs are fairly comfortable these days with Muzzin on LTIR. Fitting 2 close to league minimum guys isn't an issue. The space is basically there just removing guys off the roster for them. The bigger issue would be contracts going back. Needless to say though, Holl has been a top 4 defenseman for the Leafs for awhile now and they wouldn't be parting with him going into the playoffs.

What? Petersen is probably the worst contract in the entire league right now and you think you get demko basically for him straight up? I know demko has struggled this year but Petersen cleared waivers this year, no one wanted him for free…

Petersen's contract isn't even in the five worst category. Come on, now. Demko's is actually worse: he's owed more this season, and while they're both owed $11 million (on cap hits of $10 million) for the last two years of their deals, Demko has an extra year (making up for their age difference) at $6 million.

Over their careers, Petersen has a better GAA (by a miniscule margin) and has a worse save percentage by 4 goals out of a thousand shots. As to this season, Demko is 3.93 GAA v 3.75 GAA for Petersen and 0.883 SV% vs. 0.868 SV% for Petersen, which is 15 goals out of 1,000 shots. So yeah, cutting the cap by 20% and getting Grundstrom is a sufficient benefit to the Canucks that we don't add a first-round draft pick, which is just a silly idea.

Fair enough. I still feel like he's useful to have on a playoff team as he brings a solid defensive, physical player. IMO, can easily make the lineup of many teams maybe as a bottom pair but he can get more time playing on the 1st PK unit.

Someone may want him but he would be the #5 RD in TO right now.

I could definitely see the Oilers, Panthers and maybe even the Kings offering something along the lines of a 2nd for him.