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Created by: LeafsDaBest

Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Jan. 25, 2023

Published: Jan. 25, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Trades

TOR

Anderson, Josh ($2,750,000 retained)

MTL

Niemelä, Topi
2023 1st round pick (TOR)

TOR

Schenn, Luke

VAN

Kerfoot, Alexander
Liljegren, Timothy
2024 2nd round pick (TOR)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$79,986,246	$212,500	$0	$2,513,754

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Bunting, Michael $950,000$950,000 LW UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 2	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW UFA - 3
Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 3	Anderson, Josh $2,750,000$2,750,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 5
Järnkrok, Calle $2,100,000$2,100,000 RW, C, LW M-NTC UFA - 4	Kämpf, David $1,500,000$1,500,000 C UFA - 1	Engvall, Pierre $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Aston-Reese, Zach $840,630$840,630 LW, RW UFA - 1	Holmberg, Pontus $827,500$827,500 C, LW RFA - 1	Simmonds, Wayne $900,000$900,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1
McMann, Bobby $762,500$762,500 RW, LW UFA - 2		Anderson, Joey $750,000$750,000 RW RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $7,500,000$7,500,000 LD NMC UFA - 8	Schenn, Luke $850,000$850,000 RD UFA - 1	Murray, Matt $4,687,500$4,687,500 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Sandin, Rasmus $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD UFA - 2	Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Samsonov, Ilya $1,800,000$1,800,000 G UFA - 1
Giordano, Mark $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 2	Timmins, Conor $850,000$850,000 RD RFA - 1
Benn, Jordie $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 2	Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NTC UFA - 2
		Robertson, Nicholas $796,667$796,667 LW, RW RFA - 2
		Mete, Victor $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:26 a.m.

Hammerwise

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I think they both accept. I know MTL doesn;t want to retain forever, but I remain convinced Anderson is not a top 6 forward, and TOR is worse off in that exchange. And VAN would bite your hand off for that Schenn offer

Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:28 a.m.

LeafsDaBest

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Quoting: Hammerwise

Anderson would be a good top 6 player if he was on a good team. Montreal brings everyone's production down. Vancouver gets a young defenseman for a pending ufa

Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:30 a.m.

Rage44

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TOR makes lateral moves now (at best), and gets worse in the future... makes sense...

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:31 a.m.

Campabee

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I don't think the Habs can feasibly retain that long on Anderson, The offer might be great but the length of the retention is too long. I think the Habs would rather take back a bad contract and/or add a little than retaining for that long.

Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:31 a.m.

remowilliams

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Quoting: Hammerwise

Canucks have no cap.We can not make that trade.

Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:31 a.m.

LeafsDaBest

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Quoting: TML_Bias

TOR makes lateral moves now (at best), and gets worse in the future... makes sense...

Both of those moves improve them right now

Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:32 a.m.

mikeg93

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Right type of players, don't see Schenn fetching anything close to that. I think Niemela is the guy to move for Toronto to fetch at top 6 forward. Lilijgren has been their most consistent d-man, so that would be a no-go.

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:34 a.m.

Rage44

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Quoting: Cameron

Both of those moves improve them right now

Anderson may be an upgrade over Kerfoot -- but different roles.
Schenn is not an upgrade over Liljegren. He hits, and is bigger. But can't skate at a top 4 level.

To give up your top D prospect, 1st, 2nd to make these "upgrades" is laughable.

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:34 a.m.

JaredOfLondon

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Yikes, anderson is a 30 point player who couldnt pass an open book test on defence and schenn isnt even 1/3 as good as liljegren.
Im half convinced this is a troll post

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:35 a.m.

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literallychrissy

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MTL and VAN both accept no question, Dubas would be fired if he made deals like this

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:35 a.m.

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Easton_H

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Canucks say yes and never look back.

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:35 a.m.

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Leafsfan98

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Trade 1: Anderson is a 3rd liner, not a superstar. If the Leafs made that offer, it would be for Horvat/O'Rielly/Tarasenko, not for a 3rd liner

Trade 2: That package would be for Chychrun, not for a worse version of Lilly (whom we are getting rid of in this scenario)

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:36 a.m.

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TheRealisticGuy

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Quoting: Cameron

Both of those moves improve them right now

Liljegren is better than Schenn tho

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:36 a.m.

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Leafsfan98

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Quoting: TML_Bias

The funniest thing is: Anderson isn't an upgrade over Jarnkrok

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:37 a.m.

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literallychrissy

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Honestly these deals are NHL 23 rookie mode jokes.

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:37 a.m.

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TheRealisticGuy

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

The funniest thing is: Anderson isn't an upgrade over Jarnkrok

Leafs fans lol

Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:37 a.m.

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Hammerwise

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Quoting: Cameron

Anderson would be a good top 6 player if he was on a good team. Montreal brings everyone's production down. Vancouver gets a young defenseman for a pending ufa

Anderson's best season was 47 pts in 2018-2019, in the 3 yrs after that he had 4pts in 26 games, 24 in 52, and 32 in 69 games, hes also a -52 over those seasons. He has just 17 pts in 46 games this year, hes not fast, doesn;t fight. I remain unconvinced hes a difference maker and I think you'd find nylander having to carry the puck and wait 20 seconds for tavares and anderson to catch up with him.

And VAN gladly takes liljegren and a 2nd for schenn.

But with the leafs losing Amirov to cancer and robertson tanking for a second season, trading a 1st, a 2nd, liljegren and niemala is probably a bad move, especially given the return above.

Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:38 a.m.

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Leafsfan98

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Quoting: remowilliams

Canucks have no cap.We can not make that trade.

If Rutherford was made that offer, he would make cap for that

Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:38 a.m.

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Hammerwise

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Quoting: remowilliams

Canucks have no cap.We can not make that trade.

For that return? They'd find a way.

Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:38 a.m.

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literallychrissy

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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy

Leafs fans lol

What do the Montreal ALouettes and the Habs have in common

Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:39 a.m.

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Leafsfan98

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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy

Leafs fans lol

Fine, let me correct, for the position Anderson would play on that Tavares/Marner line, Jarnkrok would be a better fit... better?

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:39 a.m.

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Rage44

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

The funniest thing is: Anderson isn't an upgrade over Jarnkrok

Anderson has intangibles at least-- toughness, size, goal scoring. I still don't consider the trade in the slightest.

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:40 a.m.

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mondo

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Liljegren has been the best defender on Toronto's right side - I'd say he's untouchable at this point.

No interest in Anderson and I would suspect the feeling may be mutual; he has a NTC and Toronto could be on it. Not to mention that 5 years of retention is a bit asinine.

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Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:40 a.m.

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TheRealisticGuy

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Quoting: Hammerwise

Anderson's best season was 47 pts in 2018-2019, in the 3 yrs after that he had 4pts in 26 games, 24 in 52, and 32 in 69 games, hes also a -52 over those seasons. He has just 17 pts in 46 games this year, hes not fast, doesn;t fight. I remain unconvinced hes a difference maker and I think you'd find nylander having to carry the puck and wait 20 seconds for tavares and anderson to catch up with him.

And VAN gladly takes liljegren and a 2nd for schenn.

Anderson not fast LMFAO !!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA

Quick description of Josh Anderson :

Good : Skating, shot, hit, big body, can score goals, plays with heart

Bad : Zero hockey IQ, can't make a pass on the tape, can't play defense, injured prone

Unique player lmao

But with the leafs losing Amirov to cancer and robertson tanking for a second season, trading a 1st, a 2nd, liljegren and niemala is probably a bad move, especially given the return above.

Jan. 25, 2023 at 11:40 a.m.

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LeafsDaBest

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

The funniest thing is: Anderson isn't an upgrade over Jarnkrok

Yes he is by far

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