Show me the seasons where Anderson has scored 25 goals. Winnipeg has 4 better wingers than him as well as 2 others that are equal to him, but far better defensively. He's a bottom sixer.

Can't see a world where no Dman is selected before like 12th ovr. Someone in the top10 will reach for sure

Fellas, you're wasting your time here. Might as well attempt to explain it to the bathroom door.

its not that they are just tall, they are also good players. no need to rush the rebuild. there is so much talent in this draft, cant go wrong with many picks. we have also our share off smaller players in caufield, hutson and farrel.

No they infered from Hughes Repeated Comments that the only way he would move was for one.
There's a big difference in what was said vs what some people heard.

Listen to him yourself its not hard to Source Check.
He keeps saying Anderson is staying and the only way he'd consider moving him was for an overpay like a package with a 1st.
Doesnt mean its happening today , it just means whether its this year , next year , the next year or the one after he'll trade him for a high return.
He's not moving him cap reasons.

Personsally getting Dubois i think is pointless without Anderson .
Slafkovsky-PLD Anderson is the dream scenario behind Caufield-Suzuk-Dach.
Who else will fill that RW spot ? Ylonen? lol no
Gally or Armia ? ... Nope .
Our RW depth isnt exactly stocked as we are basically waiting for Josh Roy to turn Pro.


Armia we'd love to dump.
Gally we'd like to move but can wait for him to hit LTIR like Price,Weber and Byron.
Anderson we like and if he was 2m cheaper fans would be telling people off for asking about him.
Issue is they're willing to bury a good player over the smallest of overpay's , just ask Lars Eller, Andrew Shaw or Jonathon Drouin.

I get that from your POV its not what you want given how Cap Poor your team is next year.
But this Cap Dump fiction is beneath you , yet you lower yourself for low hanging fruit anyways.
Just saying you can say the only way you'd let PLD go is you could clear the cap to acuqire a replacement .
You coulda worded it 100 more accurate ways but again low hanging fruit

Its clear from your message your posts are more about Eye for an Eye type Revenge.
You ever consider Educating Ignorance via Debate as an alternative to perpetuating ignorance?
Just some food for thought

Gms look at per 82 games metrics. He scored 27 in 2018-2019 and have been at that pace the next year but got injured. And now this year hes back at it and hes not injured. Its really easy. You take the goals he has multiply it by 82 and divide by the amount of games hes played.
The last 3 years of Andy per 82 games
26 goals
22 goals
24 goals

Add that to 17th best xGF/60 among forwards in the ENTIRE league. No spike in SH% and his Corsi goes up with a better team

That's what we're doing right now. Educating ignorance. Letting posters know why Anderson isn't a desirable player and no one is giving up anything of value for him. It was Montreal fans on this site, that perpetuated the Anderson will return a 1st and top prospect myth.

Many posters, other than myself, pointed out that it wasn't a realistic scenario, but were anyways shouted down with Montreal fans telling us Hughes had turned down a 1st and top prospect from multiple teams, so that means Anderson is worth more than that. We'd counter back with, without knowing what the other teams were asking Montreal to take back, contract wise, in exchange you can't say Anderson is worth a 1st and top prospect in a vacuum.

So, no matter what logical reasoning was presented it always ended with "Montreal had turned down multiple offers of a 1st plus for Anderson" so that is his value.

For more education on just how bad Anderson's contract is consider that he not only carries that $5.5 cap hit which is awful as it stands. He is also being paid $8.0M next year and $7.0M the year after in real dollars. How do you justify that? How does a team justify that to other players on their team looking for a raise? You can get a far better player than Anderson for $8.0M.

If you're interested in educating the ignorance, why not address the prison that made the ACGM and point our why teams works have no interest in Anderson instead of going after posters that say they doubt their team is taking him on.

Instead of trying to twist statistics and move the goal posts, just answer the question. List the seasons where Anderson has actually scored 25 goals.

The last 3 years he's had 17, 19 and 18 goals because he never plays a full season.

Ignorance is blatantly disregarding a players MARKET value based on your own PERSONAL feelings on a player. Hes wanted by GMs. Thats a fact. Calgary offered a 1st and Habs rejected it. Thats not 100% factual but there are trusted reporters who reported this. His actual money owed doesnt matter for anyone unless youre a poverty franchise. Youre grasping at straws about an actually decent player who has skills many dont and GMs seem to love. Size and Speed.

That's what we're doing right now. Educating ignorance. Letting posters know why Anderson isn't a desirable player and no one is giving up anything of value for him. It was Montreal fans on this site, that perpetuated the Anderson will return a 1st and top prospect myth.

Many posters, other than myself, pointed out that it wasn't a realistic scenario, but were anyways shouted down with Montreal fans telling us Hughes had turned down a 1st and top prospect from multiple teams, so that means Anderson is worth more than that. We'd counter back with, without knowing what the other teams were asking Montreal to take back, contract wise, in exchange you can't say Anderson is worth a 1st and top prospect in a vacuum.

So, no matter what logical reasoning was presented it always ended with "Montreal had turned down multiple offers of a 1st plus for Anderson" so that is his value.

For more education on just how bad Anderson's contract is consider that he not only carries that $5.5 cap hit which is awful as it stands. He is also being paid $8.0M next year and $7.0M the year after in real dollars. How do you justify that? How does a team justify that to other players on their team looking for a raise? You can get a far better player than Anderson for $8.0M.

If you're interested in educating the ignorance, why not address the prison that made the ACGM and point our why teams works have no interest in Anderson instead of going after posters that say they doubt their team is taking him on.

Instead of trying to twist statistics and move the goal posts, just answer the question. List the seasons where Anderson has actually scored 25 goals.

The last 3 years he's had 17, 19 and 18 goals because he never plays a full season.

Again as I said earlier. Without knowing the exact details of the offer its not as simple as saying Calgary offered a 1st and Montreal rejected, so he's worth more than a 1st.

First, value is relative depending on team needs. Calgary might need and want Anderson. Winnipeg doesn't.

Second, we don't know how much Calgary was asking Montreal to retain or what bad contacts they were asking Montreal to take back.

You can't just be blissfully ignorant and think that his value is such and such because that's what Hughes was offered. Without knowing the full details of the offer, it can't be fairly evaluated for actual value.

GMS LOOK AT PER 82 GAME STATS holy **** its like talking to a child thats been hit in the head with a metal bat about 20 times.

GMS LOOK AT PER 82 GAME STATS holy **** its like talking to a child thats been hit in the head with a metal bat about 20 times.

For the 3rd or 4th time. It doesn't matter what he might score if he wasn't always getting injured, it only matters what he actuallly scored. I know you're being deliberatly obtuse, because you can't use actually statistics to support your feeble claims. Go look at what Anderson has ACTUALLY produced not what he might produce in your fantasy land.

The NHL only credits players and teams fire goals that are ACTUALLY scored, not what might happen of all the stars and planets aligned.

uhhhh no
You're talking smack like a bully period.

I've seen you Educate Ignorance and talk facts.
Look at this post outside the first two Stanza's.


Yes MTL fans Confused Pretense for Pastense in a Billingual community where those lines are blurry as all hell.
Lets take them all out , line em up and shoot em to make you happy so you'll get over it lol.

I mean i've explained multiple times where the confusions steams from .
Explained it was Hughes himself making such claims just carefully worded .
He's established what he wants and has turned down anything shy of it .
If he had been offered a 1st he woulda frigging taken it . . . .

The issue becomes they battle against people like you in a revenge mindset looking to just stick to some fans.
If you stopped sitting on your shoulders a minute you'd see i do call out my own fans
I piss off everyone equally while doing it but the reality is i dont care .
I call it down the middle as i see it based on my ability to fact and source check you all as i trust no one who hasnt earned it.

I dont always agree with OldNYIfan but rarely do you see us get mad at each other over what other people might have said on anothe post at another time period.
We show up and debate point by point and sometimes we both walk away with a little more knowledge and respect.
This idea that we have to talk about everyone else in the history of habs fans because your triggered has haulted all real avenue's for Debate and Educating Ignorance.

While i agree with your point as ive said over and over.
I cant respect the way you choose to convey it on this day.
Again in the past i've seen a lot of good posts from you
But its like TDL gave you PTSD or something i dont get

I guess well just have to leave it at. Some posters can't take no for an answer. Like this ACGM for example. It gets tiring laying out the entire synopsis of why it doesn't work each time. Especially when you are dealing with an OP that wants to twist facts and stats to support their side.

I gave my opinion on why the deal doesn't work for Winnipeg. Yet, the OP does not want to take no for an answer and wants to argue semantics.

-I just don't think this is the value that Winnipeg would want back for PLD in a trade - I'd argue this is barely better than the Bo Horvat package that Vancouver got with a pending UFA in Horvat. A 24 year old RFA is always going to have more value than a 27 year old pending UFA, so unless Montreal beats that deal, the Jets move on.

The picks and Kidney are a fine start (I'd push for Owen Beck over Kidney if I were Winnipeg, but that's just me), but Josh Anderson fills zero needs for Winnipeg. Their top-9 with PLD has been Connor-Schiefele-Nino, Ehlers-PLD-Wheeler, & Barron-Lowry-Namestnikov (I'd assume Cole Perfetti would take over Nino's spot and push Niederreiter down to RW3 if everyone were healthy, fwiw.) Trading PLD opens a big hole at 2C that you don't have an easy answer for, and who would you bump down the lineup for Anderson when you're looking at Connor, Ehlers, Wheeler, and Perfetti as your wing options?

Winnipeg is built to contend now - the only real way I can see them moving PLD is if it brings them back at least a semi-realistic option to replace him on the second line. I don't think Josh Anderson is that.

-LA passes - Clarke was picked #8OA and has shown he can play NHL minutes already. Why would you trade away that type of prospect for #7OA in this year's draft, and the hope that you might get a player that's as good/NHL ready as Clarke?

I gotta agree again
but calling Anderson a capdump certainly didnt help him be more open to outside opinions.
Just saying try the carrot before you resort to the stick


IMO you won the debate and im sure more then a few Habs fans will read it and understand WPG position better now.
Maybe the battle was a stalemate but the war was won with facts.

I guess well just have to leave it at. Some posters can't take no for an answer. Like this ACGM for example. It gets tiring laying out the entire synopsis of why it doesn't work each time. Especially when you are dealing with an OP that wants to twist facts and stats to support their side.

I gave my opinion on why the deal doesn't work for Winnipeg. Yet, the OP does not want to take no for an answer and wants to argue semantics.

someone will take a dman before number 13th. otherwisw it would be the first time in like 40 years a dman was not picked in the top 10.

It takes more for a player to qualify as a cap dump. The first step is that the team who owns that player has to want to move him.
There's no need or desire there, so not a cap dump. It's patently untrue before you even consider his stats.
What you can say, is that he has no value to your team and explain why. He's not a cap dump, so you're preceding your argument with a fallacy instead of providing legitimate insight. Even if you follow that up with rational points, that opening fallacy discredits everything else you might say.

As for your denial of how stats are used to judge a player's performance over 82 games, read an article or listen to a broadcast. That's simply the way things are.
Nobody calls Ovechkin a 30 goal scorer if he only plays 60 games and nobody calls a player a 240 goal scorer if they get a hat trick in their first game of the season.
You're judged on your ability to hit certain milestones on a consistent basis and like it or not, Anderson is a consistent 20 goal scorer. It may not be technically accurate, but it is practically true.

Reinbacher is gonna be the 1st D picked this draft.. by the Habs with Florida's pick. It's a beautiful thing.

It takes more for a player to qualify as a cap dump. The first step is that the team who owns that player has to want to move him.
There's no need or desire there, so not a cap dump. It's patently untrue before you even consider his stats.
What you can say, is that he has no value to your team and explain why. He's not a cap dump, so you're preceding your argument with a fallacy instead of providing legitimate insight. Even if you follow that up with rational points, that opening fallacy discredits everything else you might say.

As for your denial of how stats are used to judge a player's performance over 82 games, read an article or listen to a broadcast. That's simply the way things are.
Nobody calls Ovechkin a 30 goal scorer if he only plays 60 games and nobody calls a player a 240 goal scorer if they get a hat trick in their first game of the season.
You're judged on your ability to hit certain milestones on a consistent basis and like it or not, Anderson is a consistent 20 goal scorer. It may not be technically accurate, but it is practically true.