why would anyone wanna follow the ottawa method

Cause they could snag a playoff spot this year and are in a position to be a solid contender in a couple years with good goaltending?

I think Lehner and Buffalo are done with each other for good

I don’t think Lehner would come back,
and i don’t think we’d be willing to bring him back to the same place where he essentially fell apart
Just don’t think it would work

And idk what the correct trade value for Konecny would be
But we’re essentially giving up the value of three 1sts, + in your trade proposal
And that’s just too much imo, significantly too much
Maybe that means we just wouldn’t get him, idk
But i think at least 1 of the major pieces in the deal (Krebs, Rosen, 1st) would have to come out in order for it to work from Buffalo’s perspective- Again though, that might make Philly turn down the offer
Also, is Philly even looking to move Konecny?
He’s only 25. I would think they’d wanna build around him

Why are the Sabres helping the Bruins out of cap problem by giving up picks for one year of Grelyck? There are better or least dependable goalies on the market than Lehner?
Could probably get an offer sheeted Swayman for a second rounder.

but they are probably not going to make the playoffs and they dont have good goaltending so im confused, they also dont have a pick for the first 3 rounds, and have cap issues next year, all before making the playoffs once

Why would you not want to follow the Ottawa methot?

In less than a year they acquired Claude Giroux, Alex DeBrincat, and Jakob Chychrun without giving up a single player or prospect.

Why would the bruins help out the Sabres by trading a top four d man at a good number to an in division opponent?

It’s a two way street, and given how high phillys pick in the second round is, this is a pretty fair price.

All good moves, but in fairness when people think of the Ottawa method, what they think of is a really long rebuild with posters on here saying time and time again that they’re sure to be good this upcoming year.

what have they done!? why not follow a team that has actually done something? they gave up a top 10 pick and gonna be a top 15 pick this year.

As a small point, when Lehner is healthy he has actually been one of the better goalies in the league the last 5ish years. Likely in the 6-10 range. Now of course his health has been an issue.

I think the Buffalo/Lehner story on the ice is done. I can't see him returning to play. Now if the bridge can be mended and he return post career in a healthy relationship that would be nice to see

Konecny's value is really hard to predict. The value you give above is really high. Essentially above what you got for Eichel, so I suspect too high. Konecny is an excellent player but a flawed one. He's that physical winger every team either desperately craves for or rarely has. But he is also apparently atrocious defensively. So... He's a good player to have, but he needs to be used appropriately by a coach and that would limit his value somewhat.

I just wonder if the Sabres, a team a non playoff team who have cap should be giving up futures for 5.5m and two yeas of Konecny. Sabres can certainly attract UFAs, even short term players with their cap, and not give up anything.

First of all, they went from being a rebuilding team to a playoff contender. Second, they're just getting started to asking what have they done is stupid.

How many teams have a better top-six forward and top-four defence group than Ottawa? Some do, but not many.

In a manner the Sabres have built the team in a fashion similar to the Senators.
Both teams have drafted and traded well.
The entire top line was aquired through trades Skinner for a second, Thompson for O'Reilly and Tuch for Eichel.
Cozens, Quinn, Peterka, Mittelstadt, Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson, Girgensons, Luukkonen, Bryson were all drafted.
Within two years the Sabres line up could include other draftees Savoie, Rosen, Kulich, Ostlund, etc.

Maybe the Sabres will add a free agent this summer, if they could find a player who has the skills of Giroux and sign him for less than what Thompson and Cozens will earn next year, they may follow the pattern more closely.

Lehner had issues long before he came to Buffalo. While Murray was aware of his demons Tim did nothing to address them.

Yeah I wasn't quite sure but I was interested in what other people thought about the idea

I think Philly should trade him rn considering he's gonna be a ufa in 2 years and his value is the highest now. I don't see him resigning imo and they should maximize on his current value here. Yeah I kinda see what u mean on it being too much. I would consider Krebs or Rosen the same worth as a high-end 1st imo but I haven't watched anything from Rosen and maybe I just am too unfamiliar with Kreb's game this year outside of his numbers. It just doesn't seem like either of them would have a spot in the sabers top 6 in the next 5 years and if I was them I would want to maximize the value of them now rather then waiting (like how the avs did with bowers and kaut considering they had no room in their top 6 for either of them) obv not the same situation as Rosen and Krebs are much better than those two but you get the idea here. I just didn't wanna add Ostlund as I really like his game and don't think Buffalo should move him in any deal

I wouldn't call getting arguably a top 4 d-man for a second a 5th "helping them out". I don't see a situation where Swayman leaves boston. I think they movie two of Forbort,Rielly and Grezlyck to keep Swayman under contract.

I just liked the idea of Lehner, obv I understand he might not work out in buffalo but I think the fit and story could be nice. Which goalies would you have in mind though? I chose Lehner as a short term solution before Jarry comes up, I considered Andersen but he's been struggling so Idk. Varlamov longs NYI and I don't see him leaving there ever. Jarry is the best one on the market imo (I wish edmonton waited a year to sign him lmao) but he's gonna be looking for smth long-term which Buffalo shouldn't do rn.

Yeah but they still have a really good top 4 and top 6 with a ton of great prospects and young pieces. Goaltending can be signed or traded for (Jarry!) and draft capital shouldn't be an issue with the position they are in. They also def could make a run this year for a wild card spot you can't just run them out of the picture immediately.

I see your point on this, I just didn't see a spot in that top 6 for Krebs or Rosen going forward (Especially with guys like mittelstadt, ostlund, savoie and peterka still getting better each year) maybe a guy like bertuzzi could be a better fit for them considering hes a UFA

Everything u said actually makes a decent amount of sense
Philly probably *should* trade Konecny
But will they actually do it?
Doubtful imo

Krebs is thought of very highly by Sabres mgmt
He was a “must have” piece in the Eichel trade

As far as Rosen goes….
He was Adams first “real” 1st round pick in the draft
(He picked Power in the 1st his first year, but a monkey could’ve made that pick, Lol)


I mean, who knows?
But it seems like there’s a lot in the way of it actually happening

Again though, a lot of what u said does make sense

but they were supposed to be at least competing for a spot last year, the rebuild started in 2018. theyve done nothing so far to suggest that their "model" should be followed. like i said before if they dont make it this year, then they would have traded 2 high draft picks, and have cap issues next year all before making the playoffs once, how many rebuilding teams have cap issues before making the playoffs?

dorion declared the rebuild over last year, so they should have been competing for a spot last year and should be in a spot this year. both the goalies they traded over the summer are better than the current goalies they have now.

the ottawa method heavily involved a skinflint owner dying so i'm keeping an eye on you if any sort of tragedy befells the Pegulas