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Rebuild

Created by: pensfan21
Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 19, 2023
Published: Mar. 19, 2023
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I know people are going to disagree with this. And I know there's almost 0 chance we do it this offseason. What the team does and what I think we should do are 2 different things though. Completely fine if people disagree. But I think this team is cooked I think. This years team is done and I think it would take extremely significant change to make it into a contender for next year. And even if we did and made multiple huge trades/signings our chances would still be low, especially with Sully at coach imo. Great coach, but it's beyond his expiration date. We'll likely have a new GM as well and so it will be a good transition point. I know people are saying no rebuild until the core retires. But they could all potentially play 5-6 more seasons and I just don't see any way we contend that entire time. I think we likely miss playoffs this year and potentially are near bottom of standings next year. Anyways, here's what I would do this offseason.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,000,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$3,000,000
1$7,000,000
1$7,000,000
1$3,500,000
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. Östlund, Noah
  2. 2023 1st round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Guentzel, Jake
2.
PIT
  1. Gallagher, Brendan
  2. 2023 1st round pick (MTL)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
These are tough one's. I would only do this if the core want out. I would inform them of rebuild and give them the option of staying or being traded to a contender. Whatever they decide I would do. I'd hope they stay, but they deserve the chance to win another cup
MTL
  1. Letang, Kris
3.
PIT
  1. 2023 1st round pick (CAR)
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
Same thing as Letang
CAR
  1. Malkin, Evgeni
4.
PIT
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (DET)
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Petry, Jeff ($3,000,000 retained)
  2. Rust, Bryan
5.
PIT
  1. Bailey, Josh
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (NYI)
  3. 2025 3rd round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
6.
PIT
  1. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
Think he gets a 1st at deadline
EDM
  1. Pettersson, Marcus
Buyouts
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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20$83,500,000$69,730,000$0$0$13,770,000
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Waivers ExemptPuustinen, Valtteri
$800,000$800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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Rakell, Rickard
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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O'Connor, Drew
$800,000$800,000
LW
UFA - 2
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Granlund, Mikael
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Bertuzzi, Tyler
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
Bailey, Josh
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
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Poehling, Ryan
$800,000$800,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Gallagher, Brendan
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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Waivers ExemptPoulin, Samuel
$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 1
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Hållander, Filip
$800,000$800,000
C
RFA
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Nylander, Alexander
$800,000$800,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Cole, Ian
$3,500,000$3,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Dumba, Matt
$7,000,000$7,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
Varlamov, Semyon
$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 4
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
Smith, Ty
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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Rutta, Jan
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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DeSmith, Casey
$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
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Friedman, Mark
$775,000$775,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Ruhwedel, Chad
$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:35 a.m.
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If Malkin and Letang were expendable we would not have resigned them. As long as 87 wants them here they have to stay. Everyone else is on the market.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:37 a.m.
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Yeah Montreal is not giving up a top 5 pick + 2nd for Letang, sorry just not logical for a rebuilding team
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:38 a.m.
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Considering Malkin has attacked the Carolina market before, I doubt they'd have any interest in his declining anchor
Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:43 a.m.
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Too much for Detroit to give up for those two players.
I doubt any of the other teams are interested in those moves either. I wouldn't mind Guentzel in Detroit but it wouldn't be worth giving up what he would cost for us.
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:46 a.m.
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First, that Letang trade is hilarious. Letang, often injured and signed for term and high AAV is almost untradeable and is certainly not worth a 1st, especially from a rebuilding team. Letang will not suddenly end the rebuild, no way Montreal considers this.

Second, Detroit doesn't need either player. Rust is over 30, and Petry 35. This doesn't align with the rebuild timeline, with old players likely to decline as the team is ready to compete. Add 3 million retained on Rust, take back Chiarot, and make it 2 4th round picks, and Detroit accepts.

Finally, you might be right about Pettersson, but I doubt it. 1 goal a year doesn't net you a 1st.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:50 a.m.
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Pittsburgh adds Crosby and Malkin to Detroit trade
Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:51 a.m.
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Quoting: edeangel84
If Malkin and Letang were expendable we would not have resigned them. As long as 87 wants them here they have to stay. Everyone else is on the market.


What if they asked to be traded to a contender once we rebuild?
Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:51 a.m.
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Nope, thanks for the offer however.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 9:52 a.m.
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First, that Letang trade is hilarious. Letang, often injured and signed for term and high AAV is almost untradeable and is certainly not worth a 1st, especially from a rebuilding team. Letang will not suddenly end the rebuild, no way Montreal considers this.

Second, Detroit doesn't need either player. Rust is over 30, and Petry 35. This doesn't align with the rebuild timeline, with old players likely to decline as the team is ready to compete. Add 3 million retained on Rust, take back Chiarot, and make it 2 4th round picks, and Detroit accepts.

Finally, you might be right about Pettersson, but I doubt it. 1 goal a year doesn't net you a 1st.


I think someone would pay a 1st for Letang.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 10:01 a.m.
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I think someone would pay a 1st for Letang.


5 years left on an over 35 contract, meaning the contract is a guaranteed full cap hit. He's 36. He has injury history.

This is one of the worst deals in the league right now. I understand why it was signed, the window is now...but any playoff run is unlikely without an 03 Giguerre level goaltending run.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 10:07 a.m.
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I know it hasn’t been said yet, because all the other ones are pretty terrible too, but that Sabres trade is laughably bad. The first round pick alone is likely a top 10 pick. Guentzel isn’t even the kind of player they should be looking for, scoring goals is no longer their problem.
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 10:17 a.m.
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I know it hasn’t been said yet, because all the other ones are pretty terrible too, but that Sabres trade is laughably bad. The first round pick alone is likely a top 10 pick. Guentzel isn’t even the kind of player they should be looking for, scoring goals is no longer their problem.


Well Guentzel will get a guaranteed first from someone. That's for sure even if it's not you guys
Mar. 19, 2023 at 10:18 a.m.
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Quoting: tonyhzs
First, that Letang trade is hilarious. Letang, often injured and signed for term and high AAV is almost untradeable and is certainly not worth a 1st, especially from a rebuilding team. Letang will not suddenly end the rebuild, no way Montreal considers this.

Second, Detroit doesn't need either player. Rust is over 30, and Petry 35. This doesn't align with the rebuild timeline, with old players likely to decline as the team is ready to compete. Add 3 million retained on Rust, take back Chiarot, and make it 2 4th round picks, and Detroit accepts.

Finally, you might be right about Pettersson, but I doubt it. 1 goal a year doesn't net you a 1st.


If he continues to play at this level next year then he will get a 1st at deadline imo
Mar. 19, 2023 at 10:23 a.m.
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Yeah Montreal is not giving up a top 5 pick + 2nd for Letang, sorry just not logical for a rebuilding team


Agreed. It's not a question of value. It's a question of timeline. The only way we take Letang is if we throw the rebuild out and take Crosby too. But of course we are not ready for that.
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 10:30 a.m.
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Malkin is a very effective player when he is healthy, however, therein lies the problem. Not to mention the 2 other factors that would keep him out of Carolina: he has attacked the Raleigh market before, and his contract pays him 6.1mil until he is 40. Every GM would be stupid to give up a 1st and 3rd for an injury prone player on a rather unfortunate contract like Malkin, no matter his pedigree and resume. A few years ago, sure, teams would be lining up with a couple of firsts for Malkin. Now, not so much.
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 10:34 a.m.
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If he continues to play at this level next year then he will get a 1st at deadline imo


What team will make this trade? What team has a cup window open for only another year or 2, has the cap space, and the need for Letang? This is a 35 plus contract with top 2D AAV with 4-5 more years left (depending on when he gets traded). I don't see any potential trade partners, outside maybe Washington, but if they are the only suitor, there isn't much chance a 1st is in play.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 10:37 a.m.
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Well Guentzel will get a guaranteed first from someone. That's for sure even if it's not you guys
MAYBE 3 OR 4 YEARS OF Guentzel IS WORTH A FIRST AND MORE FROM A LOT OF TEAMS BUT 1 YEAR WILL JUST GET YOU A TDL LATE 1ST
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 10:39 a.m.
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Well Guentzel will get a guaranteed first from someone. That's for sure even if it's not you guys


This take is fine. If it is TDL next year, I'd expect something like the Giroux to Florida trade, honestly. Maybe a bit less because of being a wing and not center.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 11:58 a.m.
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Can’t see Detroit doing that one boss.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 12:28 p.m.
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Quoting: tonyhzs
What team will make this trade? What team has a cup window open for only another year or 2, has the cap space, and the need for Letang? This is a 35 plus contract with top 2D AAV with 4-5 more years left (depending on when he gets traded). I don't see any potential trade partners, outside maybe Washington, but if they are the only suitor, there isn't much chance a 1st is in play.


I'm talking about Marcus Peterson
Mar. 19, 2023 at 12:32 p.m.
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I'm talking about Marcus Peterson


Meh, I just don't see someone giving up a 1st for zero offense.
Mar. 19, 2023 at 12:34 p.m.
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Meh, I just don't see someone giving up a 1st for zero offense.


Someone did for Ben Chiarot, and Peterson is way way better than him offensively. He's had a fantastic season
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Mar. 19, 2023 at 12:45 p.m.
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Someone did for Ben Chiarot, and Peterson is way way better than him offensively. He's had a fantastic season


Chiarot had more goals last season than Pettersson had in his career up to that point. The assists are more a product of the team...Montreal had no finishers, and Detroit's offense is quite anemic after Larkin. Chiarot is also a big body, hard nosed guy...
MP is a fine defensive defenseman but he brings no other game. Big bodied defenseman carry a ton more trade value at the deadline than a one dimensional defenseman that is a black hole for offense. Any team acquiring MP would be getting him as insurance against an injury, not as a top 4. The Chiarot trade was a bit of a shock, yes, but multiple teams were in on him, and there weren't many like Chiarot available, so there was a premium.
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