pettersson is 3x the player debrincat is so 3x the value. and with quality not quantity. Seider is the only name id even take the call for

no

Fact is, Elias Pettersson is a far better player than DeBrincat, a center, and the Canucks have 0 reason to trade him. Pettersson starts with Seider +++. If you don't like it, the Canucks will have no problem walking away. The fact that you even have him on the 2nd line here is just laughable. There are not many centers as good as Pettersson. So few in fact that I can count them with my fingers

Edit: Further more, the first round pick in the DeBrincat trade was 7th overall. You have barely provided any real value. You want a player of Pettersson's level, be prepared to give up an asset similar to Pettersson's level

Canucks decline.

DeBrincat: 82 GP - 41 G - 37 A - 78 PTS
Pettersson: 74 GP - 36 G - 60 A - 96 PTS (on pace for 39 G - 66 A - 105 PTS in 82 GP)

Pettersson is by far the better player, and also plays centre, which is a much more valuable position than winger. He's also a more well-rounded two-way forward, playing both PP and PK, while DeBrincat is a more one-dimensional offensive threat who doesn't play PK. In absolutely no way are Pettersson and DeBrincat comparable players.

This is borderline offensive to see such ignorance from another hockey fan, Elias Pettersson is a Top 5 player in the world. A world class center capable of putting up 100 Points and playing Selke level defense. If Detroit wants him it would ruin their team with how much it would take to get him. You'd probably be looking at Seider, Raymond, Veleno, Detroit's 2023 1st and probably some more on top of that. You'd basically have to trade half the franchise.
Elias Pettersson is Vancouver's face of the franchise and future captain, you'd need to move heaven and earth to acquire him, I honestly believe that JR & Alvin wouldn't trade him for pretty much anything that isn't McDavid.

Zero chance of Vancouver accepting that offer for EP.

EP is going to command around $11,000,000 per on his next contract. And Yzerman will be dowling out big money to both Raymond and Seider. No thank you.

Trading with VAN fans is like playing with a knife.

Don't do it.

Thanks for the chuckle! Your proposed idea is as bad as the one on this forum.

Not saying that it's fair, but that is what it's gonna take to get a piece like Elias Pettersson away from a team that still has control over that player and fancies themselves as contenders in the not too different future. Just think about it, a Top 5 player in the world is worth a number 1 D, a Top 6 winger and 3C and a 1st Rd pick.

I think you're undervaluing both Seider and Raymond or overvaluing EP.
As of right now they are a #1 D-Man (22) and a top 6 winger (21). What about when they reach EP's age? Are they just not going to get any better?

Absurd.

Bruh

Fabbri barely has 1 healthy leg left. His other one might fall off at any moment. He's being held together with duct tape and krazy glue.

I think it's more likely we see Seider become a top 10 D-Man than it is for him to become just a "good top1 D-Man". Raymond's had a meh year, but is showing flashes of his breakthrough. Plus, new system, inconsistent linemates, all these issues. He'll still eventually become the top line winger he was meant to be.

They could get better but I don't see Seider being a Norris contender and Raymond's potential isn't anything close to what EP is. Elias Pettersson is a future Hart and Selke winner, and again he's under team control and is their next captain, it would have to be a MASSIVE overpayment to get Vancouver to even consider it. I don't think you understand that.

Seider will win a Norris someday. He's only scratched the surface.

Yeah okay the first sentence is all I needed to know to quit talking with you. Good luck preaching your EP is top 5 to someone lol.

Nope! 'ccordin to this guy he's hit his ceiling at 22 I guess. It's a shame, he has (or had) so much potential!

I'm not very high on Raymond. But you're really downplaying Seider. I don't think you've watched too many of his games.

Petey just isn't available.

Meh I think it'll be safe to wait and gauge Raymond based on how he does next year; still question mark territory for me. Obviously we've seen Stutzle boom - but he's also been in the league for an extra year.

I'm not saying Raymond isn't a good player. And I expect he'll be much better next season. I just don't rate him as high as most Red Wings fans do.

This is a man who knows what he's talking about

We each have our own opinions

Surely there is no bias in either of your sentiments.

He's going to get better no doubt, but he has the bad luck of playing in an era that has dmen like Cale Makar, Rasmus Dahlin, Adam Fox, Quinn Hughes, Miro Heiskanen and Bowen Byram. These guys are going to dominate the Norris voting for the next decade and a half, it's not a knock on Seider, but all these guys were better at the same age than he is now (except Dahlin who just broke out this year). He's gonna be really good and a true number 1D but I don't see a Norris in his future.

I'm a die hard Canucks fan but it's not crazy to say that Elias Pettersson is worth a crap ton of assets and based on what Detroit has to offer, it begins with Seider bcuz VAN has absolutely ZERO reason to trade EP40. It would have to be an offer that knocks JRs socks off on order to do that it's gotta be Seider, the 2023 1st, Raymond or Kaspar and probably more. It's been decades since a player of Pettersson's quality has been traded so we really don't know what the value would be. But you can bet that it's gonna be so steep that it almost isn't worth it.