THat doesnt get you close to Sway. Desmith and 3rd rounders have no value whatsoever

2nd line is top 6. It’s also middle 6.

So either you think he’s a 3rd liner, and your wrong, or you agree he top 6 guy. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Terrible contract is pretty laughable.

Top 6 implies he could be on a teams top line. I think he is somewhere between a 2nd line LW and a 3rd line LW. Making him a middle 6.

Ask around this site and see if it's a good contract from other parties. I'm going to guess everyone is going to pass.

Have you heard about something called playmaker? And driving play? Or just assists to being with? That's how those guys score goals.

He does have good possession numbers but they are likely inflated because he is on a historically good team. Put him somewhere where he has to be THE GUY and his possession numbers fall.

He has 20 assists in 60 games.

He has as many PPG as Coyle who has terrible possession numbers. Halls contract is bad. Not the most horrible thing ever, but bad.

"He does have good possession numbers but they are likely inflated because he is on a historically good team"

Sure, that's why they're really close to his last season where the Bruins finished 10th in the league, right? Another bad argument. Nobody said he's the best player on the team but he can still be a great play-driver on a second line.

Hall plays on the 3rd line and on PP2 hence why he's production has dropped off a bit but if you want to believe he's a 3rd liner, enjoy.

Um....
So Boston also thinks he's a third liner then...

Edit: there was a Penguin named Dominic Simone. He had great possession numbers but couldn't score. I think he's like 30 and out of the league.

Georgiev - 26yr old / 2.94 GAA / .908 SV% / 8 SO

Swayman - 24yr old / 2.22 GAA / .920 SV% / 9 SO

They are not comparable. Swayman over the last 3 seasons has posted Top 10 numbers among NHL goalies.

Do you also think David Pastrnak is a 2nd liner then? Yet another poor argument. Pastrnak is separated from Marchand and Bergeron so the Bruins are more balanced. Same for Hall with Krejci and Pastrnak. Lindholm and McAvoy too. Did you also believe Lightning thought Jan Rutta and Zach Bogosian were 1st pair Ds because they played alongside Hedman?

You know Wings were interested in Petry, where did you here that. From the 313, never heard that Wings were even considering him. That is wishful thinking.

I would rather have Severson and we do not need to trade anyone to sign him to the same deal.

If Boston thought Hall would score 70+ points he would be on the first line. I agree that teams break up good players to balance their lineup but the Pens didn't put Guentzel on the third line and Rust on the 4th line to balance out their roster. If Hall was a great possession player who scored a ton, he would have been on the 1st line.

But hey. You can like Hall if you want. It's cool.

-It's been said but the Georgiev trade is nowhere near a good comp for Swayman. Georgiev was a backup with middling numbers (his GA%- is almost exactly league average during his years on the Rangers), and he was a guy who had made noise about wanting a bigger role, so the Rangers had their hands forced a bit. Swayman is younger, has put up much stronger numbers, and has the ability to be bridged pretty cheaply if Boston wants to keep him and Ullmark through the rest of Linus' deal, then hand the #1 job to Swayman. Either offersheet him at $4M and force the Bruins' hand or move on to another target (lol no one uses offer sheets in this league.)

-Petry on Detroit doesn't make a ton of sense. They've got Seider on the top pair and Chiarot playing on his off hand at RD2 - what are they gonna do with a 35 year old RD3 making $6.25M?

-Trading Guentzel for Karlsson confuses me - the Penguins give up the better forward and the younger D with upside, and add cap so they can get a conditional 2nd that mayyyybe turns into a 1st? I can understand the thought behind moving Guentzel to try and rebuild a little, but this deal actually makes the Penguins older and costs more money. I'd rather trade Guentzel for futures, keep POJ on the 2nd pair to see if he can grow, and continue building a younger core around Crosby & Malkin that can step up when they're ready to go.

Using goals scored to value Taylor Hall kinda misses the point about what type of player he is - and using an arbitrary benchmark like this is nearly worthless when you remember that since his MVP season he's had one season where he was hurt, one season cut short by COVID, one season only 56 games long in the bubble, and then he missed a few weeks this year with an injury that I'm sure Boston wasn't rushing him back from. But when you average out his numbers since then over a full 82 game season, he winds up averaging out to a 21-41-62 line every 82 GP. If you want to argue that a 60 point guy *isn't* a second liner, go for it, I guess, but you're gonna look extremely wrong.

Metrics back up his contract, FWIW - he drives play at a strong rate and, more importantly, helps suppress chances when he's on the ice at a near-elite level. GSVA pegs him as a clear top-6 player who actually exceeds the value

His last 5 years:
33gp, 11g, 26a, 37pts
65gp, 16g, 26a, 42pts
53gp, 10g, 23a, 33pts
81gp, 20g, 41a, 61pts
60gp, 16g, 20a, 36pts

His possession numbers are good but if he's not scoring or helping others score, it doesn't matter. He is paid to drive scoring, hence why he starts 70% in offensive zone. You can also extrapolate to 82 game seasons if you'd like but that's not how it works in the real world.

He is paid roughly 1MM for every 7 points.

Now let's compare him to other players in his price range (over 5 years):

Bryan Rust: 12 points per 1MM
Nazem Kadri: 10.5 points per 1MM
Brandon Saad: 5 points per 1MM
Max Pat: 7 points per 1MM
Brad Marchand: 13 points per 1MM
Jon Marchessault: 11 points per 1MM

How about top 6 guys who took a pay cut recently to roughly 6MM...
Evgeny Malkin: 14 points per 1MM
Claude Grioux: 13 points per 1MM

Based on his scoring and cost, it seems to me he is closest to Patches who was literally given away for nothing from Vegas as a salary dump.

I'm sorry but Hall is not an elite player. If you want to know how everyone outside of Boston feels about Hall do this little trick.
1.) Get a mirror
2.) Looking down, think of Jeff Petry and his contract
3.) Look at mirror
The face your making is how we think about Hall.

But hey, you can like Hall all you want. I wouldn't want him within 100 miles of any roster I like.

It's one way to say Pens don't have quality depth and the main reason why they will be golfing starting tomorrow. Enjoy not wanting good players on your team.

Goalies have never netted that much of a return. It wouldn't be a 1st and an A prospect. One or the other. History has shown exceptional goalies don't get traded for kings ransoms

Ha ha ha. Not my team. I neither own them nor am I employed by them. If anyone lives or dies by a team winning or losing, they need to focus on more important things.

Still, it's fun to talk to homers.

Maybe. You could he correct in a few months.