If either Dvoraky or Moore are there at 9, I’d do it

Detroit is not and should not be trading down. That 9OA pick is too important.

Who gives a **** about getting more good players?

We don't need good players. We need great players thatll play on our first line
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Now this really depends who they have on the top of their list and where they expect them to go. It's not unrealistic but we need more high end skill that should be acquired with a higher pick.

Ok I agree…but… is it possible that making this trade down and packaging 15, 17, and 24 gets us the Sharks pick at 4?

This draft is deep and fairly even in terms of talent between picks 7-25 (arguably even further). If we’re not picking in the top 6, I don’t think there is a bonafide can’t miss guy that is convincingly ahead of the pack at #9 compared to #15.

I think Stevie Y will be pulling a rabbit out of his hat at the draft and make some noise, but this is not what I foresee. Could see him going after Debrincat, using the 2nds and trading for a 3rd 1st round pick or sending a 2nd and prospect for a cost controlled player that fills a need (like the Graves or Marino trades to NJ)

I’d be all for a third 1st rounder, I just really like a lot of players in the 2nd round especially where we’re drafting. You could make the argument that the top 15 guys in the 2nd round could be 1st round picks so, that in itself is like having extra 1st rounders.

In my opinion that draft is too deep to be giving away top 43 picks. We have 5 of them and I think we should use them on prospects and/or get even more.

I would agree with you. There is a reason why he traded Hronek and now owns 5 picks in the Top 45. I would not be surprised to see one of them go if a guy like Brandon Carlo is available (Wings could use a shutdown RHD) - edit: they could always draft one as well. Willander at 17 does not look too bad.

I don't disagree which is why I said what I said. If they feel strongly enough about the players that could be picked there then why not. I'm sure they have some sort of rating system on each player and where they would take them. If they think they are all really close and are comfortable with the player at 15 compared to 9 then sure for the extra pick. But if they think the player available at 9 is above who would be available at 15 then we have to take 9.

I do agree that I would be doing anything we can to add picks. Bring on the cap dumps or whatever. Trade Kubalik, Zadina Chiarot and Fabbri of possible. Maybe Perron but I think he's too valuable to the team.

Willander at 17 would be great.

Yeah, in this exercise I have us taking Willander at 17. But you look at a guy like Yager for example, Dalibor Dvorsky or even Ryan Leonard; if the Wings take any one of those guys at #9 I don’t think anyone bats an eye. So, to move down to #15 and still get one of those players; that’s a testament to the reality of how deep this draft really is.

I think 9, 17, and a second has a better chance than an offer with no top 10 picks personally

You could be right. I was just curious.

Agree to disagree. This draft is very deep and yes, a good piece will be there at 15, but all the mocks have a lot more intriguing prospects going at 9, than what's there at 15 and I just don't think Detroit can afford to give up that extra bit considering that we need stars, not just good players.

Which players are you seeing mocked at #9 that you expect to be a bonafide star? Cuz I think the bonafide star train stops at #6.

I'm really high on Reinbacher and expect him to be there....

I’ve actually seen multiple mocks with both Reinbacher & Willander gone by pick 8 so, Willander might be a stretch going that high but Reinbacher is close to the consensus #1 d man so odds are he won’t be there at #9.

For me it’s Michkov, Leonard, Benson, Reinbacher, Willander - in that order. One of them will be there at 9. Willander at 9 seems rich because not long ago I was seeing him mocked at 40. But if Yzerman loves him, I have no doubt he’s a good pick at 9

Right, I think the only one of those players that’ll be available is Willander and he’s also got the best chance of being there at 17 compared to those guys. If we’re in love with that player then obviously moving down would be a huge risk. I think his worlds performance has skyrocketed his value publicly but how it actually affects his draft status remains to be seen.

There are a handful of RHD with similar talent level in Dragicevic, Bonk, Strbak & more that I’d be fine with later in the 1st or early 2nd.

Admittedly, I have very casually “scouted” these players so my opinion is far from a certainty.

I really like the idea of trading down especially if no one at 9 is their that we really want if we could get yeager or barlow with the islanders pick and pickup another 2 first round talents I like, but we need scoring now and need to try to make a playoff push.

Nobody we pick at #9 or #17 is going to help us this year or perhaps even next year so, I don’t think it will really matter much.

exactly what I was saying we should maybe trade a second for konecny or trade down and get more assets that could be used in a trade for william nylander.

and there's been multiple mocks with them both there (some even with Will Smith available at 9)... it's all speculative, but my point is, the player that will be there at 9 is likely to be a lot closer to a sure thing, than the one there at 15 and I don't think we can afford to drop down in this draft... hell, if the price was right, I'd be all for them trading up and it's not about next year, it's the year after or even 25-26...

Yeah I’m all for trading for ready made talent as well as long as we’re not overpaying. Trading down and getting extra picks gives us extra ammo to do so.