The difficulty of improving the team while also not spending too many futures

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Jackets easily decline.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:12 p.m.

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Dubas got lucky walking into Toronto who had Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Brown, Kappy, Johnsson, Gardiner, Zaitsev, Rielly and Freddie. All within their prime years and the majority still on elc.

Now Dubas walks into Pittsburgh with Crosby, Malkin, Granlund, Rust, Rakell, Gruenztel, Carter, Letang, Petry, Rutta and Desmith. All players in their twilight years and with high price salaries.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:15 p.m.

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Dubas got lucky walking into Toronto who had Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Brown, Kappy, Rielly and Freddie. All within their prime years and the majority still on elc.

Now Dubas walks into Pittsburgh with Crosby, Malkin, Granlund, Rust, Rakell, Gruenztel, Letang and Desmith. All players in their twilight years and with high price salaries.

Agree and just to add. Too many iffy or bad contracts that have NTCs. Gotta think the Pens just have to ride out the term of those contracts before they can get significantly better. Plus they have one of the worse prospects pool in the NHL. (same as the Leafs, which Dubas never seemed to care about)

Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:17 p.m.

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100% can imagine Dubas signing his boytoy Holl.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:19 p.m.

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I’d take this in a heartbeat, Marchenko is at best a 35 goal 50 point guy and the odds of the 1st turning into something are slim. Carlsson, Laine, Johnson, Guentzel, Gaudreau and Sillinger is an elite top 6

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:19 p.m.

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Quoting: palhal

Everybody likes the prospects Dubas selected, but other than Knies, no one has been a hit.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:26 p.m.

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Everybody likes the prospects Dubas selected, but other than Knies, no one has been a hit.

Dubas traded away so many picks that true NHL prospects...hardly any. Picks going forward...few. All that for one playoff round win. Without cheap good ELC players, the Leafs constantly were signing aging non productive 30 year old UFAs.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:30 p.m.

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Jackets easily decline.

Easily? Nah it’s a 40 goal scorer who can be your 2nd left wing! And none of your top future assets are going out the door. Honestly I can’t think of any reason to say no to that trade from your side. If anything we’re gambling on potential.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:32 p.m.

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**** the futures, I think ownership wants to win and can accept a full scale rebuild in a few yrs

Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:35 p.m.

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Quoting: edeangel84

Easily. The Jackets already have Gaudreau and Laine and don't need another high-priced wing. The Jackets need Centers and 2LD with term. Guentzel is a rental that is unlikely to resign and the other pieces don't address the Jackets needs.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:36 p.m.

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He didn’t walk into some golden job! Lol what a load of revisionism. He had Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Rielly. You should know as well as I know that Kapanen was living off dad’s name. Jake freaking Gardiner? Lol come on he was mediocre. Connor Brown is a fine depth player but they had to move that horrible Zaitsev contract. He also had to move the nursing home patient that was Marleau out, which cost the 1st rounder.

And then there’s the whole idea that all of this is now 100% his fault. Why is Shanny and his ZERO track record walking away Scott free from any blame? Above all of that though is the fact that your stars simply aren’t clutch players. Auston and Mitch are regular season superstars. That’s it though.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:37 p.m.

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Teams that are trying to win a cup trade away draft picks. Why would you want a GM who wasn’t trying to make trades to win?

Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:38 p.m.

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Quoting: edeangel84

The thing that people don't get about these trades where you ask for guys like KJ, Marchenko, Sillinger, Jiricek, etc. is that in order to take advantage of the 28-30 year old players you want to trade for them the Jackets have to become a contending team immediately. They're not going to be a playoff team likely until 24-25 and they won't compete for a cup until 26-27 if all their young guys pan out. That means in this instance they just traded away Marchenko, who would be perfect for their window of contention, for Guentzel who will be 32 by the time they're hopefully a very competitive team and he'll be playing for someone else because he's not going to re-sign. These trades are incredibly easy to say no to.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:39 p.m.

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You’re telling me you can’t resign Jake Guentzel despite shocking everyone and getting Johnny Gaudreau?

Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:40 p.m.

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There is no reason to trade Jake and there is no reason to retain. LW is already an area of need so moving your best goal scoring winger is a NO. Also, why move Rutta just to sign Holl? Also, why are you taking Bailey back and then sending him down? You have wasted 7.7 million on players you sent to wilkes.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:51 p.m.

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I don’t see it that way and apparently their ownership doesn’t see it that way because they just hired the literal worst coach if you’re a rebuilding team. In typical capfriendly fashion, you’re overvaluing young players and a later 1st round pick and undervaluing an elite winger who can help them win right now. You also aren’t convincing me a team that won the hottest UFA of last summer over big markets that they can’t resign Jake. The Jackets major young assets are in no order:

Jiricek
Johnson
Sillinger
Mateychuk
Cuelemans
Chinakhov

I asked for ZERO of them.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:52 p.m.

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You’re telling me you can’t resign Jake Guentzel despite shocking everyone and getting Johnny Gaudreau?

I am saying that we would not want to trade assests for a wing who will probably not resign or would need to be resigned for at least $8mil per year when we have much larger holes to fill.
We would also not trade Marchenko unless it was in a package for a 1C with term.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:53 p.m.

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Because the other players signed as UFAs are better than him. Also we can buyout Granlund but there’s still enough space left by burying him for a year and then buying him out next offseason. That way it’s 2 years of payouts to him instead of 4.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 6:54 p.m.

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Marchenko is about your 8th piece as far as futures go. I didn’t ask for any of your major future assets and you’re getting one of the best wingers in the league.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 7:00 p.m.

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Quoting: edeangel84

Marchenko is about your 8th piece as far as futures go. I didn’t ask for any of your major future assets and you’re getting one of the best wingers in the league.

Probably more like 5th right now. I would put him above Cuelemans and Chinakov on your list:
Jiricek
Johnson
Sillinger
Mateychuk
Marchenko
Cuelemans
Chinakhov

As dk325 mentioned above, Jake doesn't fit the timeline and Marchenko does.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 7:03 p.m.

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That is laughable that you'd have Chinakhov, Ceulemans, or even Sillinger ahead of Marchenko. A 22 year old guy that can score at a 30g pace with the *travesty* of a lineup that was around him last year is not someone that's going to be thrown away for a 29 year old rental. Stop trying to preach to the fans that actually watch a team and know who it's players are. It's stupid af.

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Jun. 4, 2023 at 7:05 p.m.

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Then why trade for him? lol
You are also wasting valuable space. A buyout of Granlund makes his cap hit just 833,333 this season. That's over 4 mill in savings. His burried cap hit is over 3 million more than his buyout cap hit. Can't be wasting cap like that.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 7:30 p.m.

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It’ll be fun to watch Babcock ruin your team anyway.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 7:35 p.m.

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If your timeline is that of a rebuilding team then why hire the worst coach for that timeline? Nothing they’ve done makes any sense.

Jun. 4, 2023 at 7:36 p.m.

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