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Created by: Canuckfan98
Team: 2023-24 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 8, 2023
Published: Jun. 8, 2023
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NGL I don't watch the flyers that often although I was curious how close I am in terms of value. I know Oilers fans might have an issue with the Hart trade but imo Skinner did horribly in the playoffs and really tanked his value for me atleast. Getting rid of Foegle, Skinner, and some picks for Carter Hart is worth it IMO. The Konecny trade I think is fair but idk it's a little difficult to gauge his value cause IMO he might actually be worth more to NHL GMs cause of the hard nose game he plays.
Free Agent Signings
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4$4,350,000
4$4,450,000
2$3,450,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$775,000
2$775,000
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PHI
  1. Foegele, Warren
  2. Skinner, Stuart
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (EDM)
  4. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
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PHI
  1. 2023 7th round pick (OTT)
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (OTT)
  3. 2024 4th round pick (TBL)
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4.
PHI
  1. Söderblom, Elmer
  2. Zadina, Filip
  3. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
  5. 2024 1st round pick (BOS)
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2023
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2024
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2025
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23$83,500,000$71,326,429$1,187,500$57,500$12,173,571
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
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$7,750,000$7,750,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
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$4,350,000$4,350,000
C, LW
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C
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$5,875,000$5,875,000
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LW, C
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$785,000$785,000
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
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G
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UFA - 2
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$2,650,000$2,650,000
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UFA - 1
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$1,675,000$1,675,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
G
UFA - 1
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UFA - 1
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$5,100,000$5,100,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$775,000$775,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
RD
UFA - 4
$775,000$775,000
C, LW, RW
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$762,500$762,500
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UFA - 1

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Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:33 p.m.
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Wings pass without much thought
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:34 p.m.
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There's been an imbalance in the universe.
The peace agreement has been broken.
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:34 p.m.
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But if for some reason we want to ship out that many assets, we'll just go for Keller who'll in all honesty probably cost less than that lmao
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:34 p.m.
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Take out Elmer, and Boston 1st and it's correct.

Zadina
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+Van 2nd
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:35 p.m.
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Too much for Tk, don’t like the Hart deal but value isn’t far off, gave the RFAs like a million too much each. Overall not bad for a non-Flyers fan
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:39 p.m.
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Quoting: AmeriCanadian
Wings pass without much thought


Im curious what would you consider fair value for Konecny cause he would fit a need. Zadina IMO is going towards top 9 maybe top 6 territory, Soderblom seems to me a career bottom 6 player or top 9 player, the Bruins pick is most likely going to be a late one, the most valuable piece IMO is the isles pick at 17 but you have to pay to get a quality player like Konecny. Although I truly am curious what you would change about this trade.
Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:40 p.m.
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Love the idea of acquiring Skinner and flipping him for picks, but not quite enough back for Hart. Great haul for Konecny though, probably too much given up from Detroit there.
Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:40 p.m.
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Oilers would never! My word, this is obscene
Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:44 p.m.
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You want skinner on the return the first comes off
Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:45 p.m.
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Oilers would never! My word, this is obscene


Why not IMO Skinner is not a goalie that can take you to the finals and mcdavid isn't getting any younger, also you clear up cap space by getting rid of Foegle all for a late 1st and a late 2nd.
Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:47 p.m.
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Soderblom is a unicorn. We will keep him. He well not be traded. Could be the next Tage. #17, #43 and Zadina is probably lots.
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:48 p.m.
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Detroit Fans and Philly flans in harmony having a good time - smile Zadina+17+42 for Konecny smile

YOU - ADD SODA AND ANOTHER 2nd!

DET FANS - WTF hombre

YOU - Briere said huge return, not fair return

Me (DET FAN) - In the words of Taylor Swift, we are never ever getting back together.
Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:52 p.m.
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Soderblom is a unicorn. We will keep him. He well not be traded. Could be the next Tage. #17, #43 and Zadina is probably lots.


You think Soderblom is going to be a 47 goal scorer, I like the kid but you are overvaluing him IMO. Most likely he tops out as a 15-15 or 20-20 guy with size, which is great to have but Id be surprised if turns out to be more than that.
Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:55 p.m.
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You think Soderblom is going to be a 47 goal scorer, I like the kid but you are overvaluing him IMO. Most likely he tops out as a 15-15 or 20-20 guy with size, which is great to have but Id be surprised if turns out to be more than that.


I guess time will tell. No one thought Thompson was going to be what he became after his first few years. Either way he's not getting moved for anyone, he's one we just take our time with.
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:56 p.m.
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But if for some reason we want to ship out that many assets, we'll just go for Keller who'll in all honesty probably cost less than that lmao


I think Arizona is more likely to trade Schmaltz than Keller, he is one of the few players that seems to actually like Arizona, I'd be somewhat shocked if they traded Keller before Schmaltz.
Jun. 8, 2023 at 9:57 p.m.
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I think Arizona is more likely to trade Schmaltz than Keller, he is one of the few players that seems to actually like Arizona, I'd be somewhat shocked if they traded Keller before Schmaltz.


That's not the point.
The point is you're asking essentially three 1sts for TK65.
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:01 p.m.
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Why not IMO Skinner is not a goalie that can take you to the finals and mcdavid isn't getting any younger, also you clear up cap space by getting rid of Foegle all for a late 1st and a late 2nd.


Skinner was a rookie last season. It's a little early to form that opinion don't you think.

The Oilers shouldn't get rid of Foegele, and there has been no indication that they want to. He was very good last season
Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:10 p.m.
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That's not the point.
The point is you're asking essentially three 1sts for TK65.


It's not three first though it's a 17th pick and the 40th pick this year and most likely a 25+pick next year, besides the 17th pick these aren't high picks, statistically past number 20 the value of a pick drops significantly. Making those late 1st a lot less valuable. Zadina isn't really looking to be a star that he was projected to be he most likely becomes a top 9 player, maybe if he gets it together he becomes a top 6 player but that is looking less likely each passing day, Soderblom is a nice top 9 bottom 6 player but Wings fans seem to have an emotional connection with him (fan favourite) causing them to overvalue him. To me this isn't too far off maybe I'm overvaluing TK but players like him are quite tough to get.
Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:13 p.m.
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It's not three first though it's a 17th pick and the 40th pick this year and most likely a 25+pick next year, besides the 17th pick these aren't high picks, statistically past number 20 the value of a pick drops significantly. Making those late 1st a lot less valuable. Zadina isn't really looking to be a star that he was projected to be he most likely becomes a top 9 player, maybe if he gets it together he becomes a top 6 player but that is looking less likely each passing day, Soderblom is a nice top 9 bottom 6 player but Wings fans seem to have an emotional connection with him (fan favourite) causing them to overvalue him. To me this isn't too far off maybe I'm overvaluing TK but players like him are quite tough to get.


17OA is a 1st.

41OA+Soderblom most definitely fetches a 1st - Soderblom himself probably fetches a 1st. We may over value him a little, but you are undervaluing him significantly. I think many people high on him do a little more research than his latest point totals, which is my guess on the extent of your research.

Thinking that the Boston '24 is going to be 25OA+ is very wishful thinking considering they're going to likely losing Bertuzzi and Orlov to FA, plus Bergeron and Krejci to retirement.

You are most definitely overvaluing TK65 since one of the biggest Philly homers on this site proposes 17OA+2nd+Zadina.
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:22 p.m.
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17OA is a 1st.

41OA+Soderblom most definitely fetches a 1st - Soderblom himself probably fetches a 1st. We may over value him a little, but you are undervaluing him significantly. I think many people high on him do a little more research than his latest point totals, which is my guess on the extent of your research.

Thinking that the Boston '24 is going to be 25OA+ is very wishful thinking considering they're going to likely losing Bertuzzi and Orlov to FA, plus Bergeron and Krejci to retirement.

You are most definitely overvaluing TK65 since one of the biggest Philly homers on this site proposes 17OA+2nd+Zadina.


Feel free to discuss about Soderblom with @jonh514, a Canadiens fan who'd be over the moon if Detroit offered 9+Soderblom for 5.
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:23 p.m.
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17OA is a 1st.

41OA+Soderblom most definitely fetches a 1st - Soderblom himself probably fetches a 1st. We may over value him a little, but you are undervaluing him significantly. I think many people high on him do a little more research than his latest point totals, which is my guess on the extent of your research.

Thinking that the Boston '24 is going to be 25OA+ is very wishful thinking considering they're going to likely losing Bertuzzi and Orlov to FA, plus Bergeron and Krejci to retirement.

You are most definitely overvaluing TK65 since one of the biggest Philly homers on this site proposes 17OA+2nd+Zadina.


Boston is still going to be a good team next year they will have an elite goalie, one of the best D corps in the league and while they might take a hit with the loss of Bergeron and Krejci their wingers are more than likely to make up for it.

Me personally I don't get the sense that Soderblom and the 41th pick gets gets you a top 15 pick maybe it might get you 18-20 only in the circumstance that a team really likes a player they believe is going to fall or be be drafted later. Most teams would rather get a collection of picks especially on draft day than get a player and a pick unless they cap strapped.


I will admit though that I have overvalued TK but IMO he'd be worth this but going by the market and the perception of this thread they can get him for a cheaper price like 17th,Zadina, and either the 2023 2nd or Boston's 1st next year on the condition that it is outside the top 20.
Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:26 p.m.
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Feel free to discuss about Soderblom with jonh514, a Canadiens fan who'd be over the moon if Detroit offered 9+Soderblom for 5.


Tage Thompson was a statistical anomaly it was shocking to basically everyone in the league, it would be as likely as Jesse puljarvvi figuring it out and becoming the superstar he was supposed to be.
Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:28 p.m.
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Boston is still going to be a good team next year they will have an elite goalie, one of the best D corps in the league and while they might take a hit with the loss of Bergeron and Krejci their wingers are more than likely to make up for it.

Me personally I don't get the sense that Soderblom and the 41th pick gets gets you a top 15 pick maybe it might get you 18-20 only in the circumstance that a team really likes a player they believe is going to fall or be be drafted later. Most teams would rather get a collection of picks especially on draft day than get a player and a pick unless they cap strapped.


I will admit though that I have overvalued TK but IMO he'd be worth this but going by the market and the perception of this thread they can get him for a cheaper price like 17th,Zadina, and either the 2023 2nd or Boston's 1st next year on the condition that it is outside the top 20.


Boston still may make the playoffs, but they are losing 4 key offensive pieces to their team.

18-20 is quite literally still a mid round 1st. Whether the teams would do it for needs; different question. Value wise, that's around correct. I don't think you understand what or who Soderblom is, so i won't critique it too much.

17OA + 19OA + (I'll be generous) + 24OA is still three 1st rounders for TK65 -- absurd overpayment considering these three picks could probably land you in the top 10 this year.
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:29 p.m.
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Tage Thompson was a statistical anomaly it was shocking to basically everyone in the league, it would be as likely as Jesse puljarvvi figuring it out and becoming the superstar he was supposed to be.


I'm not agreeing that he's a TT guy; but he certainly has been much better in his post draft years than TT.
Soderblom quite literally was 10th in the SHL goals as a 20 year old, and #1 in points for a U21 in his D+2.
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Jun. 8, 2023 at 10:31 p.m.
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Skinner was a rookie last season. It's a little early to form that opinion don't you think.

The Oilers shouldn't get rid of Foegele, and there has been no indication that they want to. He was very good last season


Carter Hart is better than Skinner by quite a bit and IMO has a much better chance of leading a team to the finals than Skinner, the Oilers job is to win the cup or atleast get better within the next few years cause you gotta convince McDrai to stay and if you guys keep getting knocked out in the 2nd/3rd round even though drai and mcdavid are playing out of their minds you can see the potential of them leaving. Trading for Carter Hart is an upgrade.
 
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