i mean at least buy colorado dinner first before you take advantage of them

Only in TO does an initial ask during a negation mean a player is unwilling to budge. Willy says 10 (allegedly), TO says 8.8 (Meier is a close comparable but Willy definitely has an argument that he deserves more) and they'll settle in the 9's I would wager. They likely are already in that range but it's not going to be reported. Why? Because it's boring. The hype media in TO doesn't get clicks with a story saying negotiations are progressing and common ground is being found. Troll nation will get mad and leaf fans happy. So nothing will be said until it's signed or imminent.

Right TO should do you a favor and make it a lopsided win for you. Getting the best player in the trade isn't enough eh?

I don't think that gets it done for Chicago.

Toews is cheaper against the cap and would have more value than Nylander imo. But OP has Colorado adding in a 2nd and retaining on Toews so they can take on extra cap with Nylander.

Come on now.

Well the opinion of people on this site is Nylander has no value. So I am not surprised. In their prime elite offensive players are so common that they are borderline cap dumps, at least that seems to be the consensus on this site.

Why do you think Nylander has an argument for more? I understand he can get points and last season he got more than Meier (hasn't always been the case) but being the 2nd best RW on your team has perks too. He doesn't face the shutdown line. He received more PP assistance. He's not able to play a physical game.

Just seems like his $10M ask is 100% ego and should 100% be buyer beware in a trade.

Hawks decline. They aren't trading Murphy this season unless it's an overpay. Niemela is not an overpay - especially w/ retention on Murphy for 3 years.

What are you talking about? My comment is that the Avs would be unlikely to trade a top 15 Norris guy for a very good top like winger, especially if they are retaining and adding in a high pick. Nobody here is saying Nylander is bad. He’s a very good player.

What if they kept Topi, we ate $2.2M, we took on Brodie, AND Muzzin (INS dependant), but the 2026 1st had to come with?

He doesn't hit but scores more goals in the crease than most players in the league. You don't do that if you are afraid to get hit. Guy is a cycle monster a long the boards. But reality doesn't matter to your type.

Just has no value. Why? It's a variety of reasons, none of which makes sense and always seem to be a strictly Toronto issue. Like he is unwilling to budge 3 days into negotiations. Toews is unsigned, he must only care about money and negotiations are falling apart. I guess he has no value too.

You’re not making much sense. Nobody is saying that Nylander is bad or has no value. Just that he’ll be tough to re-sign.

Why? Because he has been able to sign an extension for less than 5 days and hasn't yet?

Nope. Wouldn't do that either. The '26 1st still isn't enough for Murphy w/ 3 years of 50% retention. You think that's enough? I'd ask for Lilypad as well if it's Murphy half retained. Like I said, gotta be an overpay.

Again, where is anyone saying that? He’s going to be hard to sign because he’s very good and good players are expensive. Put the pitchforks down dude

Toronto says No.

Toews is an overpaid 3rd pairing guy at this point. 1 for 1 for Byram would be awesome.

I am just trying to understand why according to you and most others on here, Nylander isn't going to sign, negotiations are not going well, so he will be moved for far less than he's worth. But somehow, Toews, Aho, Pesce and any one else who hasn't yet signed is somehow not the same.

This must be sarcasm, Toews is definitely a good player, definitely not worth as much as Nylander but he's definitely good.

It's a few things.

It starts with...
A.) The (perceived) reason behind his current ask...that he belongs in the convo of Matthews/Marner. Clearly he's not in that caliber of player, but Dubas gave them deals in which...IF the cap continued to go up...they wouldn't as big an issue...BUT here we are and now the new guy shows up, says we don't have space for you at $10M. We think youre worth $8.8M. Look at Kaprisov and Tkachuk, they're both much better than you and $9/$9.5. PLD and Timo this year $8.5/$8.8. This is where you belong. Forget about Matthews/Marner. You're not in that camp. Nylander probably says Fthat! I gave my cheap contract before. I personally disagree he gave the "cheap" contract before. He was underpaid 2 years. Appropriately paid 1 year and overpaid 3 years. Seems like the perfect deal for him...imo.

So if there's no deal between the Leafs and Nylander...B.) what's giving OTHER teams confidence that they can convince him he's worth $8.8M when TOR couldn't? Then he becomes a TDL rental type acquisition.

Nylander is better than PLD and Meier. Better offensively and he performs when it matters most. So your argument is dumb

All 3 are different players. PLD is a physical 2-way center. Centers are just more important than wingers. Timo plays a 2-way game. Nylander has more offensive upside, but hes 1 domensional amd gets more protected because he's not even the Leafs best RWer. He can roam free a bit more. So yeah...they should get similar deals.

Also, 100% disagree Nylanders effort is 100% when it matters most he's making "business decisions" both ON and OFF the ice.

Where did I say Nylander wasn’t going to sign? I feel like I am talking to a wall lmao. This is really not that tough to figure out.

Colorado likely wouldn’t be able to afford to re-sign any of Nylander, Toews, Pesce, Aho next summer. All 4 guys likely will get paid.

Are you talking about Devon Toews? The guy who just finished top 15 in Norris voting and makes $4.1M?

If you want to argue that he’s overrated thats fine but Toews at $4.1M is one of the top value contracts in the league. Overpaid is impossible.

Some bizarre takes on this thread.

Typical of all who want the leafs to burn