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Created by: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
Team: 2023-24 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 19, 2023
Published: Jul. 19, 2023
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Free Agent Signings
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2$950,000
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    1. Veleno, Joseph [RFA Rights]
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    Not sure his price but I cant imagine its very high
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    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:23 p.m.
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    It's not high but we keep Veleno. Looks like he's going to be our fourth line centre. A fourth isn't worth it for us, plus he's one of our more physical players.
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:23 p.m.
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    Pageau+wahlstrom sure, but debrusk just came off a career year and is younger so for bruins to take on an older Center that is slightly overpaid you are gonna have to give us a reason to make that swap, Salo isn’t that.
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:31 p.m.
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    That won't get Dirty Joe.
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:34 p.m.
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    Quoting: Dekes
    Pageau+wahlstrom sure, but debrusk just came off a career year and is younger so for bruins to take on an older Center that is slightly overpaid you are gonna have to give us a reason to make that swap, Salo isn’t that.


    you need centers.. bad. Debrusk is bound for regression too. only had 23.3 expected goals, pageau had 18.7. Not a big difference
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:36 p.m.
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    Don't need another 3C already have 4
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    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:37 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
    you need centers.. bad. Debrusk is bound for regression too. only had 23.3 expected goals, pageau had 18.7. Not a big difference


    Besides Coyle is basically their Pageau, they don’t need two of them
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    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: Rags21
    Besides Coyle is basically their Pageau, they don’t need two of them


    Pageau is miles better than Coyle lmao what.
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: Schood1c
    Don't need another 3C already have 4


    3C? lmao
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
    Pageau is miles better than Coyle lmao what.


    You islander fans LOVE to over-value Pageau
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    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: Rags21
    You islander fans LOVE to over-value Pageau


    lmao what. I never said hes good, just way better than Coyle. Hes the 60-70th best center in the league, Coyle is outside the top 100
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:54 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
    lmao what. I never said hes good, just way better than Coyle. Hes the 60-70th best center in the league, Coyle is outside the top 100


    I mean it doesn’t seem that way. Maybe pageau is the better PKer and face-off guy lol

    Compare the two on Natural Stat Trick and Coyle has slightly better analytics
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
    3C? lmao


    Has he not been the Islanders 3C for the past few years? Even if he is on a team where he is the absolute best center, that doesn't change the fact that he is best used as a 3C who can *fill in* at 2C. It's not like JGP is the missing piece for the Bruins to become cup contenders.
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    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: tupty
    Has he not been the Islanders 3C for the past few years? Even if he is on a team where he is the absolute best center, that doesn't change the fact that he is best used as a 3C who can *fill in* at 2C. It's not like JGP is the missing piece for the Bruins to become cup contenders.


    SO Malkin is a 2C... cool
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:59 p.m.
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    Bruins decline. Not what they would trade DeBrusk for.
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    Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: tupty
    Has he not been the Islanders 3C for the past few years? Even if he is on a team where he is the absolute best center, that doesn't change the fact that he is best used as a 3C who can *fill in* at 2C. It's not like JGP is the missing piece for the Bruins to become cup contenders.


    Coyle does not have better analytics LMAO what.

    18.7 expected goals vs 15.5

    Pageau 13 had goals and 15 primary asissts, Coyle was 13-13. Coyle had more powerplay time, tallying over 150 more shifts than Pageau. Pageau won face offs at a 5% higher clip than Coyle, plus he was tasked to be the face off "guy" late in games, while Coyle was at least third in line. Coyle also played 12 more games than Pageay

    This isnt at all a debate. Pageau is better than any free agent available right now (Bergeron and Krejci excluded but this is assuming they retired), and there are very few centers available for trade. And Boston has very few assets.
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
    Bruins decline. Not what they would trade DeBrusk for.


    they wouldnt trade him for a center? Lmao okay bro
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:06 p.m.
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    Edited Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:18 p.m.
    Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
    Pageau is miles better than Coyle lmao what.



    Lol. not true.


    Boston has zero interest in Debrusk for JGP despite what a Facebook clickbait site speculates.

    As stated above, Boston has 4 middle 6 centers in the lineup already. 5 of the 6 most NHL ready FW prospects are centers.

    There is zero need for another overpaid 3C that puts up mediocre offense.

    Isles retain at least 1.5m and throw in a sweetener maybe. Doubt it, but maybe.

    What Boston needs is a #1, and JGP is not.

    2, 3, and 4. They are all set.
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    Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
    Coyle does not have better analytics LMAO what.

    18.7 expected goals vs 15.5

    Pageau 13 had goals and 15 primary asissts, Coyle was 13-13. Coyle had more powerplay time, tallying over 150 more shifts than Pageau. Pageau won face offs at a 5% higher clip than Coyle, plus he was tasked to be the face off "guy" late in games, while Coyle was at least third in line. Coyle also played 12 more games than Pageay

    This isnt at all a debate. Pageau is better than any free agent available right now (Bergeron and Krejci excluded but this is assuming they retired), and there are very few centers available for trade. And Boston has very few assets.


    There’s more analytics than Expected Goals lol

    Not to mention, centers this off-season have had no value. Hayes, Johansen, Duchene, etc.

    Since Pageau is better than Coyle and DeBrusk is bound to have regression coming, then why are you making the trade?lol
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    Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
    SO Malkin is a 2C... cool


    If you truly believe that JGP is a high-end 2C, then please just state it plainly. I'm not sitting here calling the dude a bad player. I'm just stating that I don't think he is a quality 2C on a contending team. Picking him up doesn't solve the Bruins top 6 talent issue at all.
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    Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: Rags21
    Since Pageau is better than Coyle and DeBrusk is bound to have regression coming, then why are you making the trade?lol


    I need to find a way to automate a template of this as a response to these ACGMs... so many fans get so defensive about the guy they just proposed trading.
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    Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:18 p.m.
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    Quoting: Rags21
    There’s more analytics than Expected Goals lol

    Not to mention, centers this off-season have had no value. Hayes, Johansen, Duchene, etc.

    Since Pageau is better than Coyle and DeBrusk is bound to have regression coming, then why are you making the trade?lol


    Because we have five NHL centers and need more scoring. Debrusk provides a few more goals a year, about 6-8 or so in even strength.

    And Hayes, Johansen, Duchene all made much more than Pageau. Plus this isnt all too much value imo. Pageau is like a 2nd and Salo is like a 4 or 5th. Debrusk isnt worth more than that
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:18 p.m.
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    Quoting: tupty
    I need to find a way to automate a template of this as a response to these ACGMs... so many fans get so defensive about the guy they just proposed trading.


    Honestly I should of started with that instead of arguing back hahahaha
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:20 p.m.
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    Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
    Because we have five NHL centers and need more scoring. Debrusk provides a few more goals a year, about 6-8 or so in even strength.

    And Hayes, Johansen, Duchene all made much more than Pageau. Plus this isnt all too much value imo. Pageau is like a 2nd and Salo is like a 4 or 5th. Debrusk isnt worth more than that


    You also have to account for the fact that there is a “cap tax” because every team in the nhl pretty much has a cap problem therefore reduces the value of a lot of players

    Boston is already tight on cap would be taking on an extra $500k after trading DeBrusk
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:20 p.m.
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    Quoting: tupty
    I need to find a way to automate a template of this as a response to these ACGMs... so many fans get so defensive about the guy they just proposed trading.


    I just explained exactly why. Barzal, Nelson, Horvat, Cizikas and Pageau. Thats 5 centers. Better to move one of them to get a slightly better player than to move one to wing...

    Debrusk only had 3 more expected goals in EV.
    Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:21 p.m.
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    Quoting: Rags21
    You also have to account for the fact that there is a “cap tax” because every team in the nhl pretty much has a cap problem therefore reduces the value of a lot of players

    Boston is already tight on cap would be taking on an extra $500k after trading DeBrusk


    500k retention so it evens out... nice math
     
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