No way Jarvis is going to get dealt

Interesting, hard to know if it could go through but Nashville has been all over the place lately

Absolutely not. Jarvis is straight up untouchable. He was a non-starter for Meier, you think a 33 year old EK is returning him? Stop it, delusional. Pesce + a 1st is already going to need more retention than that. For roster pieces to be included, San Jose are going to be eating half the EK deal. If they don't like that, send him to Pittsburgh and enjoy eating the Petry deal.

Lol. The delusion is thinning that Jarvis is “untouchable” - this site really needs to learn what the word means cause there’s not as many players that are actually untouchable as people seem to think

So wait..

Nashville gives up only Yaroslav Askarov and retains $2M and they get Brett Pesce, an early 2nd round pick, and 2 top prospects? … wow that’s a lot for only a goalie prospect.

Cool, now, you may want to go and read the Waddell interview in the Athletic from just before the trade deadline where he referred to Seth Jarvis as one of the untouchable pieces of the Canes core in the same breath as Slavin, Aho and Svechnikov...

Jarvis isn’t going to be included in an EK deal. Why would they need to? What’s PIT offering that comes close to Jarvis and a first? There’s not a massive bidding war for EK so there’s no chance this happens and even if there were I think canes would just bow out and hold onto pesce Jarvis and a first to get ek.

This ain't it. Your overpaid one way defenseman isn't worth that much even with retention.

What GM’s say to the public and what’s actually true are 2 very different things. But sure, believe everything you read.

Devils decline. Any goalie adds would be established goalies

But did you look at Jarvis, he is a massive 5'10" winger who puts up 40 points a season they dont come around very often.

His value isn’t so much about his current production. Sure the total doesn’t look great, but he cracked a top 6 on a contending team at a young age. He’s valuable, he’s good. But he’s not untouchable. “Untouchable” means absolutely not taking calls or listening on. & there might be 5-10 players in the entire league that that would be true for. But Jarvis isn’t one of them.
Carolina isn’t shopping him and they won’t actively include him in trade offers. But if there’s an offer that comes along that he fits into that they can’t turn down, he’s available.

A top 6 forward who’s 21 and on ELC with many years of team control is pretty damn valuable - and now add that the team is in a championship window that team control and lower cost is extremely valuable.

I just hope you really laughed out loud and that someone was around to hear it.

Top prospects?

Even without having to retain on EK, NSH isn't moving Askarov for a rental 2nd pair defenceman they don't have room for, two lackluster prospects, and a 2nd.

I think your issue is with the word untouchable. Let’s replace that with ‘you’d have to knock our socks off’.

Adding him into a deal like this does not knock your sock off. You’re almost giving away Jarvis for nothing in this situation. You’re giving up Jarvis, Pesce, 1st and 2nd for EK at $6m and Zetterlund (who probably doesn’t even crack the lineup).

Pesce very likely would resign with Nashville. He doesn't want Canada. He doesn't want the West coast. He'll stick around in Nashville if they pay him fair value. If a team can't make room for Brett Pesce then they must be a dynasty on defense.

Bordeleau isn't a lackluster prospect. He's got serious 2C upside. Weisblatt is a former 1st whose value went down the past few seasons but has regained his form as of late. He was noticeably the 2nd best player on the ice in SJ's developmental camp game a few weeks ago behind Musty. SJ has drafted/signed too many RWs of late, so he's expendable only in that sense.

The PHI 2024 2nd included in the deal here has plenty of value since it'll more than likely be in the 33-37 range. PHI will suck this season.

Askarov's a great top-6-7 goalie prospect in the league. But let's not pretend a team has to move heaven and earth to be able to acquire him. No one's trading a grade-A+ prospect for him. And he'll have to wait a long, long time in NSH behind their goalies, which is why they were open to shopping him as part of a package deal for a higher pack in the 2023 draft. Bordeleau+Weisblatt+a high 2024 2nd is perfectly fair value -- it's just a matter of if NSH decides to trade one of their goalies instead of Askarov, which doesn't seem to be the case.

A #6-7 prospect? Askarov is widely considered to be a #1-2 goalie prospect.

Paying Pesce much more than he already makes as he enters his 30s, isn't my preferred move for the Preds. Plus NSH has a glut on the right side already. Bringing in Pesce doesn't make sense unless one of their other RDs is getting shipped out in the deal.

Bordeleau and Weisblatt are of little interest. NSH desperately needs a #1 center, but they have enough middle six centers with more upside than Bordeleau in Glass, Pärssinen, Novak, and Svechkov. RW is also where NSH's pool is the deepest - Wood, Kemell, Evangelista, Tomasino. I didn't watch the Sharks' prospect camp so I don't know how much Weisblatt suddenly improved, but I'd rather have that 2nd than either of the SJ prospects. There's no way NSH is trading someone with superstar potential for this kind of return.

Agree 100%

It's a goalie prospect... that position in general is notoriously voodoo

It's mind-boggling how Erik Karlsson just had a season for the ages with a 100-point season, played in all 82 games last season, won the norris, here you're locking him in for 4 more years at only 6mil (as an elite defenseman he'll likely decline slower than forwards and will decline post 36-37), and yet you define that as 'nothing'. Incredible.

Karlsson at 9.5mil or so has less value and wouldn't warrant Jarvis. That's true. But at 6mil? It's within reason.

What are the odds that ek replicates that versus replicating the prior 3-4 injury riddled seasons prior to last year though? It’s a big risk any way you slice it, which is why the valuation is a challenge. He’s definitely worth it if he can stay healthy but that’s massive if and the canes aren’t going to spend extremely premium assets in their eyes to take that risk on. Especially when there’s one other team in on the deal and they can’t come within sniffing distance of anything the canes can offer.

I said you are giving away Jarvis for nothing, not that we are getting nothing. The point is that you can make that deal without Jarvis. You can actual make the argument you NEED to keep Jarvis to trade for EK. You’re going to need a cost controlled top 6 forward…

He is a goalie prospect but he's already shown in his short time in Milwaukee that he is gonna be special. Those types of goalies don't come around very often.

I mean... I haven't watched much of him but his base stats don't exactly scream special