What rumors?

Lol, well, you certainly didn’t mean credible rumors. 🤣

Hawks accept!

https://nhltradetalk.com/three-team-trade-proposal-erik-karlsson-sharks-penguins/

In all sincerity... the cost to dump Petry is more desirable than this return for EK...with $4.5m retained...for 4 years. It's just an awful return for the current Norris winner.

Yeah, but to be fair, the dude was starting to look like a straight up boat anchor before this past season. I don't think a single "Norris" season is going to change that perception for a lot of people. Also, the value placed on points in Norris voting is absurd and he is not a good defender, IMO. But, with that much retention, they should still be able to get a better package than what is proposed. PIT will need to go pick heavy in their bid, because they don't have the prospects to add enough value for EK. As we all know, quantity does not equal quality.

I 1,000% agree that points dominate the trophy and that the puck moving Dman isn't a rare thing anymore. I'd actually argue to opposite. You can find offensively dynamic Dmen just about anywhere...it just depends on whether or not those players can develop a defensive game.

Not to mention the "rumor" is just Sheng Peng floating out ideas and he says in HIS article that it's just something he's thought up and has no merit.

The opposite of what?

So what you're saying is you haven't actually watched him.

He looked slow because he tried to come back from a torn groin too fast and re-injured it. He was the Sharks point leader behind Timo in 2021-22 (35 points in 50 games on the worst offensive team I've seen) when he blocked a shot and broke is hand which cut that season short. He looked amazing when he was at full health.

Now it's been two seasons since his groin injury with no lingering issue.

While Karlsson is the current Norris Winner (trophy I think should be revalued at best offensive output defenseman and not best overall defenseman based on how it has been awarded) his value is not through the roof. While retaining 4.5 mil is nice the cap hit would still be 7 mil (making him 2nd highest cap hit on team behind 87). Additionally, last year was EK's first healthy season since 2015, and prior to that he had a couple of injury plague seasons (see 2012). So with no guarantee that you are going to get a completely healthy season and EK65 being 33 the value just isn't going to be max value as if he were 26 yo no injury history coming off a Norris season.

A healthy Karlsson is great offensively and average defensively, yes. Still given history he is not a player you can be confident won't get hurt at some point during the year and have to weigh the risk of injury and age and cap hit and years remaining to determine what his actual value is. All things considered he is valued at an extremely high end 2nd pair DMan.

I just meant that Dman...that can actually play defense are more rare these days than finding Dmen that can move the puck.

This is pure speculative journalism. Peng has no idea what discussions are involved. Friedman and Seravelli both said Grier is expecting a greater return than any team is willing to offer. I hope Grier keeps him another year.

Oh. Ok. I agree with that assessment. But everyone still values points, for whatever reason. They get all the praise and all the trophies and all the money, while the defensive guys who put their bodies on the line every game get crapped on. It will eb and flow, though. Points will will continue to have the limelight until some team or teams put together rosters that can shut all that offense down and things tilt toward defense again, and then back to offense eventually... Until every player in the league is simultaneously putting up 100 pts a season and blocking 30 shots a game... even though that is physically and mathematically impossible. haha.

What @CCM46 said. You can't expect teams to hand you a massive haul of high end assets for a 33 year old, injury prone, offense first, defenseman with 4 years left at an $11.5M cap hit, with no retention. If you do, you are mistaken, and if there is a team that does it, that trade will almost undoubtedly look awful for them in a couple years.

No one's taking him at his cap hit. At sub 9 mil though, that's an absolute steal. Never seen a report that Grier was going to fully unload that cap hit.

And he's been horribly unlucky with injuries, but the only recurring injury was the groin, and again that was because he tried to come back too early and it hasn't been an issue in over two years.

What is a steal? The offer proposed in this ACGM? Yeah, I agree. Hence, why I said "...with that much retention, they should still be able to get a better package than what is proposed. PIT will need to go pick heavy in their bid, because they don't have the prospects to add enough value for EK. As we all know, quantity does not equal quality."

I'm talking about the contract itself. Having EK at a 9 or under cap hit is well beneath his actual value

No..... just no he would not be valued more than Makar. Karlsson's actual value is somewhere between 7 and 8 mil when he's fully healthy....... This was the first year in 6 years he was making his actual value given age and injury history around 6.5-7

Yikes, first of all Makar is worth 12 mil. He's on a very low AAV for his ability. And again, you must not have seen him play the past 6 years because he was fantastic when healthy. He put up 11 points in the Vegas series in 2019 on one leg. He was voted BY HIS PEERS to be the third best player in the league. Yeah he's worth 9+ mil

You said the keyword when he is healthy............ HE HASN'T BEEN......... NHL GMS DONT JUST LOOK AT ONE FREAKING YEAR HOLY........... Plus he's 33 years old........... when everyone is telling you the same exact thing realize that your opinion is not the one collectively shared and probably should be reevaluated. Makar is not on a low AAV for his ability he is 10% of Colorado's cap hit and 3rd highest paid on team behind Rantanen and MacKinnon as he should be. When his deal is up in 4 years and cap has increase by 20+ mil or about 25% of the current cap then he will hit th 12 mil mark based on inflation. This is not that hard to figure out my guy, so one last time.

ZERO NHL Teams will pay 9+ mil in a contract for a 33 year old offensive defenseman who is average defensively who has injury history, so quit acting like they're going to value him that much in a trade cause it ain't happening.

Lol ok

Name a 33+ year old who received a contract that was more than 10% of a teams cap hit? Injuries aside