No thanks, maybe w/o retention

Jets seem like they wanna retain Nino. At least he's said all the right things. The guy is a valuable player

Don’t mind those moves, might need to make minor adjustments to them, but nothing major. As for the roster, I would swap Svech and Bunting, and Turbo with Jarvis, just to balance out the lines.

HABS accept if there is +$20 added to the trade coming back to Mtl

Without retention, Dvo is a cap dump

If you think so, don’t trade for him

I didn't trade for him at full cap hit for that reason

He didnt say we wouldnt RS
He's saying you didnt pay us to.
RS at this years TDL moving Dvorak as a Rental with 1 year is super easy.
Wont get a first or nothing but a Plekanec deal is very possible
We got a 2nd and 2 prospects we flipped for Kulak who landed us Lane Hutson.

Offer up Suzuki and Webber and 3rd
I think most jump on it

Suzuki in the AHL maybe motivated by competition with his Brother and if not he'll sell jersey's at least even if he'll be our 13th forward with our depth in Laval this year.(he has a chance to push to a regular)

Webber is the big man who create's space for Hutson by Wearing down his opponents so the lose a step on him.
The 6'6 monster who's grown into his massive frame into a regular role as he enters his final year in BOS U.
He projects to turn Pro after this season and likely need another 1-2 years in the AHL
I see him as a Kovacevic type who will enter the NHL at 24-25 and could develop into a reliable bottom pair defender.


We normally got no interest in LD
But 6'7 LD who can actually skate and he's put on 21lbs of muscle the last 2 years.
We might get another Edmundson out of it at best
LD that size that will be waiver Exempt just as we're contending has value to us however


Both these players with a 3rd round pick mean little to CAR
But to MTL it gives them pieces they dont have or are willing to gamble on.
That 3rd round pick thats a condition 2nd if CAR wins the cup with Dvo playing 50% or more games

Really it gives you an out to pretend you recouped value on your lost investment on Ryan Suzuki

So, even if we pretend Suzuki isn't one of the best prospects the Canes have and he's still got top 9 upside, I wouldn't trade an AHLer for Dvorak at full cap.

And you didn’t pay nearly enough for retention, so just don’t trade for him if you aren’t willing to pay

I paid for him, that's paying for retention... Dvorak at full cap hit needs to come with assets to move

YOU think that, Hughes doesn’t think that way. And you didn’t pay enough for retention. It cost a second

An average GM thinks that? I can promise you Don Waddell doesn't. If you don't retain, you need to pay to move Dvorak. So, maybe Dvorak at full cap hit + 2nd for future considerations if it makes you feel better.

o you really believe that?
We value him at like a 4th round pick
If he wasnt our Captains brother we wouldnt consider him at all given he is in a position we're stacked at.

I'd bet Simmoneau or even Davidson makes the NHL before Suzuki
Both are big game players who take abuse and ask for more basically lol
I dont even rank them high up there either , thats the low end of our depth chart.


Ok so Conditional 3rd that becomes a 2nd if CAR wins the Cup with Dvo playing 50%, 4th round pick for R.Suzuki's Value and Cade Webber ?
We'll get better Quality in the 4th round pick then Suzuki has to us outside his value for Jersey Sales and cheesy Suzuki Brother Video's .

I mean we cut an AHL player with better results then Suzuki in Joel Teasdale.
He's been superior to R.Suzuki at all levels including winning a Memorial Cup as MVP over Nick Suzuki no less.
But we cut him cause our roster in the AHL was to deep.

We don’t care what Don Waddell thinks. If he wants Dvo, he has to pay. We aren’t gonna give him. So please come back when you have a serious offer to make

I think they're better off going after Evans.
He's done after this contract and its as long as Dvo's
His caps low so we dont have to RS and they dont have to pay a ton

Don't care what you think. If Dvorak is moving, he needs retention of he has no value.

Suzuki would be one of the Habs better C prospects instantly... take of the Habs tinted glasses

Spot on.

Suzuki + 2nd would get them Dvo 50%, this current offer gets them Dvo 0% retained.

Dvorak with no retention isn't worth anything. He's a cap dump

You're incorrect and unwilling to see this. There is no debate to be had here, you're now just simply trolling.

Go get a player elsewhere if you don't wish to pay adequately. He's not a dump since we don't need the cap space, put him in a canes jersey and I'm sure he'll be magically worth 3 1sts and a cheeseburg though.

If Dvorak was in a Canes jersey I'd say the same thing if he performed the way he has in Montreal. You want to try and give some justification or are you just going to pull things out of your backside to throw at me? He makes 4+ a year and has hit 30 points once in his two years in Montreal. You can argue bad teammates, absolutely. But to be worth what your asking, he needs to be at least showing some form of threat on his own.

To put this into perspective, he put up comparable analytics to the fossil of Jonathan Toews

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&p1=8477989&p2=8473604&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

He's not worth more than what, maybe 2? The only argument against this is that he's got the extra year of term.

If he has retention, he has more value than what you offers.

Majorly disagree. In my previous post, you'll find my justifications

Thats a pretty low bar right now. Ryan wouldnt make the habs top 10 prospects atm