No thanks, from CHI.

Hawks easily decline. That package covers moving Petry out. Still gotta cover that retention.

Petry is just overpaid by 1.5 mil . he is not a cap dump he still is a good player.




how much more do you need can't be much...

Cap dump. Cap casualty. It's all the same from Chicago's perspective. Petry's abilities don't really play into it. He's a $6.25m cap hit for the next 2 seasons who plays a position the Hawks are pretty well set at already. If Pens are looking to move him on the cheap, they'll need to find a different trade partner. And 4 years of retention at 2.875m per year will probably cost a 1st plus.

Not only that, @Hawksguy81, but this ACGM also proposes CHI retains 25% of EK's contract for 4 years. That proposal isn't even enough to take on Petry's contract, let alone all the retention as well.

I agree with the retention part. 4 years is a long time. But Petry isn't a pure dump. Petry + a 2nd is close.

If SJ is only eating 3MM, you should replace Pickering with Poulin.

Karl with no retention = Free
Every 1.5MM retained = a B prospect

So, if SJ retains 1.5MM, they get Poulin or Blomqvist or Smith
3.0MM, they get 2 of the 3
Etc...
They would need to retain half to get a Pickering or Yager

Easy pass from Chicago

Cool. If he isn't a pure dump, then there should be an interested team that actually has a need at RD, but that team isn't CHI.

is more than enough for petry, might not be for the other retention tho

Is not enough for a Petry dump, and DEFINITELY IS NOT enough (not "might not be") with the added retention.

Take out the retention on the Hawks side and have SJS retain 30-35% and remove the SEA trade and add Ty to the SJS deal and possibly could accomplish only thing holding it up is SJS and Grier

Why isn't it Chi?

If Petry was on Chi last year his stats (5v5, defenseman) would be:

Hits: 1st on Chi
Shots blocked: 3rd
*Points per 60: 1st
Shots per 60: 2nd
*Corsi: 1st
Created xgoals: 2nd
Shooting talent above average: 2nd

Stats with an * are also affected by team play

Based on his stats, he would be the 1st / 2nd best defenseman on Chi and a great PP QB for Bedard.

Even to Chi, he is not a cap dump.

Petry is a cap dump regardless of anything you stated above. He has a limited no trade clause, and everyone in the NHL knows that the Penguins have to move him out in order to get Karlsson, therefore they have zero leverage. He is the cap dump here.

Getting paid to take a player you don't need to help another team free up cap space is a cap dump. Doesn't matter how good the player is.

No one is taking Karlsson for free. He would require assets to take on. He's not worth $11.5m AAV for four more years. Makar is probably the only dman in the league that teams would take on for that. Karlsson's too one dimensional and his durability concerns are so severe he's probably worth a range of $8m-$9.5m AAV over the next four years. He would have needed four straight Norris caliber seasons to be worth his current contract. He's had one season out of four worth his contract.

For whatever GM speak is worth, Dubas has stated Pickering isn’t on the table. I suspect Blomqvist isn’t, either, but who the hell knows with these guys.

What @riles23 said, his contract and PIT's cap situation are a large part of what makes him a dump, but also, he wasn't on CHI last year. If he WERE on CHI last year, his stats and analytics wouldn't have benefitted as heavily from playing on a good team. Regardless, CHI has an OVER full roster at every position and no need for Petry. CHI is also rebuilding and not looking at short term improvements.

They have to move him to get Karl, but they don't have to get Karl. Therefore they do have a choice. You're falling into a trap. A player is valuable to a team based on two factors, what they bring in talent and what they cost in salary. Yes, his salary is a negative but he has value in talent. Guys like Marleau who were pricy and void of talent, were cap dumps.



The numbers say he would benefit Chi. By that logic, they would "need" him if their goal is to compete, which it is in Bedard's entry deal window.

Of course talent plays a role. The less talent, the higher cost to move them. No one is saying Chi wouldn't get a pick from the deal. But all the people saying it would cost a 1st are nuts.

Agreed he would be a cap dump but my point is that he has value to Chi. Yes, some numbers would go down but hits, blocked shots, created xgoals, are individual stats. He would be a benefit on the PP.

A full roster doesn't matter. Chi wants to win. They have a few years before Bedard makes real money. Best to start really building now. Petry makes them better. And they get a pick out of it.

If Chi was offered Petry and a 2nd for nothing, I would bet cash they would accept.

CHI does not want to win now. If they did, they wouldn't have brought in Hall, or given Foligno and Perry $4M contracts, or left the entire left side of our defense open for rookies, or kept Zaitsev on the roster. They want to give the young players already in their system AMPLE opportunity to play for their next contracts and prove they belong and can make a difference.

They are not going to go out and add veterans to win now. They are not concerned with winning now while Bedard is on an ELC. They had two goals this summer, get over the cap floor, and give young players opportunity.

Also, their roster being full does matter. Teams are allowed a maximum of 23 players on their active roster. They are currently at 24 without this trade, and without having officially called up Reichel or Vlasic, who are both essentially locks to be on the NHL roster in the 23-24 season. If they wanted to "win now", they wouldn't add a cap dump in the first place.

Seattle passes. Not giving up that much in draft capital for a 9th defenseman. They are also at cap. I loved watching Smith in Juniors but he needs to figure it out at the NHL level.

There is no point in arguing further. You the Petry has no value, I think he does. You think Chi wants to rebuild for a few more seasons, I don't think teams work that way. Pit in 06, Chi in 07, Edm in 15. You bring in vets when great rookies are on ELC.

But hey, agree to disagree.

don't think sharks will be walking away from karlsson for free. It might be better for them to do so in the long run but I don't see anyone giving away a franchise talent for free. I think that scenario is about when this fantasy site goes off the rails

Really? You don't think SJ regretted signing Karl to 11.5MM per when he couldn't stay healthy? They are rebuilding and would love to lose his 11.5MM. If he had an average year and missed 20 games, he would cost multiple 1sts to move. He had a career year and selling high is their goal. His high is future considerations if they don't eat cap.