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Best Case Scenario - Does Grier pull it off

Created by: yikes
Team: 2023-24 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 15, 2023
Published: Aug. 15, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. Forbort, Derek
  2. 2025 1st round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Duclair, Anthony
Additional Details:
Let’s presume:

Eklund - Hertl - Duclair
Duclair PP1 primary shooter
20 goals, 0.75 points per game minimum.
These are safe expectations of Duclair. Not guaranteed, but safe.

Along these lines - Duclair heads to a playoff contender for at least a first.
2.
SJS
BOS
    *Protected Top 10 First*
    3.
    SJS
    1. Archibald, Josh
    2. Seabrook, Brent
    3. 2024 3rd round pick (TBL)
    4. 2026 1st round pick (TBL)
    TBL
    1. Barabanov, Alexander ($1,250,000 retained)
    Additional Details:
    I’d easily wager Barabanov at his current pace values around a 2nd. With an extension, and retention for his final year; I think he could get a first. He’s arguably a better player than Duclair, at least I personally would take Barabanov over Duclair 9/10.
    4.
    SJS
    1. 2024 4th round pick (OTT)
    2. 2025 3rd round pick (OTT)
    OTT
    1. Rutta, Jan
    Additional Details:
    Ottawa elects to strengthen their defence on the third pair.
    Like all these trades, near or at TDL, Ottawa has already figured out their cap. They elect to move on from provide quality defence for their team. JBD/Brannstrom/Kleven/ Hamonic must earn their right for playing time now, no more hand outs for a team that MUST make the playoffs.
    5.
    SJS
    1. 2025 5th round pick (NSH)
    2. 2026 4th round pick (NSH)
    NSH
    1. Labanc, Kevin
    Additional Details:
    Labanc is traded to a team on a buy low, cap hit type deal. Nashville has room to take a bet on the low.
    6.
    SJS
    1. 2026 4th round pick (DET)
    DET
    1. Hoffman, Mike
    Additional Details:
    Exact same situation as Duclair, but I’d expect lower production and similar goals.

    As said with all these, best case, SJS still gets minimal return for Hoffman compared to Duclair.
    7.
    SJS
    TBL
      Forgot to mention
      *Tampa 2026 first is lottery protected*
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      Aug. 15, 2023 at 1:56 p.m.
      #1
      Dekesaladekes
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      Boston needs centers not wingers so not happening, also duclair producing at .75ppg is pretty unrealistic he barely did that on a stacked Florida offence playing with much better linemates. Doesn’t matter if he is the number 1 shooter or not San Jose has one line and teams will play their best defensive lines against them and he will always have the hardest match-ups
      Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:02 p.m.
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      Quoting: Dekes
      Boston needs centers not wingers so not happening, also duclair producing at .75ppg is pretty unrealistic he barely did that on a stacked Florida offence playing with much better linemates. Doesn’t matter if he is the number 1 shooter or not San Jose has one line and teams will play their best defensive lines against them and he will always have the hardest match-ups


      wouldn’t call SJ a one line team. They don’t have any great line and the forward depth is actually pretty solid, just no stars.
      Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:02 p.m.
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      I would actually like to keep barabanov, but value wise I agree, this is an optimistic but potentially possible return for everyone.
      Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:07 p.m.
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      Boston isn't giving up a 1st.
      I don't see Tampa doing that either.

      I really don't see any of these trades happening.

      I think we'd be lucky to get a 2nd or 3rd for Duclair. Barbs we should get a 2nd.

      Rutta, Hoffman, and Labanc's are so awful it'd take a miracle season to get those returns.
      Keep in mind if that happens, Sharks aren't getting what they really need. A top pick in next years draft.
      Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:12 p.m.
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      Detroit declines, we have better players that are a lot cheaper and aren't about to pay for expensive rentals just to have them sit in the press box.
      Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:13 p.m.
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      Depends on the extension in place with Barabonov. However, extensions with pending UFAs are rare. But steep but workable.
      Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:23 p.m.
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      boston counters with a 5th and forbort since that's what you paid a month ago for Duclair.
      Plus we have too many middle - bottom 6 wingers as it is, and would only move Forbort for cap space to bring a Center.
      will need to rely on Defensive depth if any chance at making playoffs
      Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
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      Quoting: Dekes
      Boston needs centers not wingers so not happening, also duclair producing at .75ppg is pretty unrealistic he barely did that on a stacked Florida offence playing with much better linemates. Doesn’t matter if he is the number 1 shooter or not San Jose has one line and teams will play their best defensive lines against them and he will always have the hardest match-ups


      The Sharks are the complete opposite of a 1 line team. They have an abundance for middle six forwards that will be playing up and down the lineup. No matter how you match their lines, there's going to be guys who are used to being 2nd/3rd liners on the 1st line and on the 4th line or even scratched.

      The only true top 6 players are Hertl and Couture. You can make an argument for Barabanov and Duclair, but everyone else is the type of player who wouldn't be out of place on the first line but also wouldn't be out of place on the 4th.

      With that said Duclair would likely be closer to a 2nd return unless he has a great year. Same with Barabanov.
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      Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:35 p.m.
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      boston counters with a 5th and forbort since that's what you paid a month ago for Duclair.
      Plus we have too many middle - bottom 6 wingers as it is, and would only move Forbort for cap space to bring a Center.
      will need to rely on Defensive depth if any chance at making playoffs


      Boston isn't the right team for but I don't think you understand why it only cost a 5th and a 4th liner. FLA needed the cap space and Sharks took advantage of that. they'll get a lot more than they paid to flip him to a team that can actually afford him
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      Aug. 15, 2023 at 3:33 p.m.
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      Quoting: JMB423
      boston counters with a 5th and forbort since that's what you paid a month ago for Duclair.
      Plus we have too many middle - bottom 6 wingers as it is, and would only move Forbort for cap space to bring a Center.
      will need to rely on Defensive depth if any chance at making playoffs


      not saying anything about the winger situation in Boston, I dont watch or like the B's but not understanding that duclair was a cap casualty is a lil silly. playing in sharks top six and getting every opportunity on the power play I think he could easily land in the 25-35 goal range.
      Aug. 15, 2023 at 4:19 p.m.
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      Not opposed to Lablanc, but I think Trotz is aiming to get a bigger fish. He said in an interview at the beginning of the month that he essentially is looking to weaponize NSH's cap space and take someone another team can't afford and that he has intentionally left gaps in the team to do this.

      I'm speculating here, but I wouldn't be surprised if Trotz has a list of players he is targeting with this and is just waiting for the time being.
      Aug. 15, 2023 at 5:46 p.m.
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      Quoting: SJSGM
      wouldn’t call SJ a one line team. They don’t have any great line and the forward depth is actually pretty solid, just no stars.


      Still doubt he puts up .75ppg with couture or hertl as his center and who knows as the other winger.

      He played with barkov and verhaege his whole tenure in Florida and San Jose can replicate that line for him.

      He’s a 3rd option at best for any top 6 line
      Aug. 15, 2023 at 7:46 p.m.
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      Quoting: Dekes
      Still doubt he puts up .75ppg with couture or hertl as his center and who knows as the other winger.

      He played with barkov and verhaege his whole tenure in Florida and San Jose can replicate that line for him.

      He’s a 3rd option at best for any top 6 line


      yeah I wasn't really arguing the .75 ppg part but yeah, seems unlikely but possible.
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      Aug. 16, 2023 at 2:48 p.m.
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      No interest for this from Ottawa, particularly if they have to give the picks

      Rutta makes 2.75 AAV for the next 2 seasons

      IF Ottawa has already figured out their cap, they're not going to spend whatever margin they have created on this

      Rutta is a RHD but can play both sides.

      For LD, Ottawa has Chabot, Sanderson, Chychrun, Brannstrom and Kleven

      Brannstrom is now quite better than Rutta will ever be, and since there's an embarrassment of riches on the left side, someone will have to play on the right (most likely Chychrun). Kleven is the guy of the future for the Sens and Brannstrom will eventually be trade to create a spot for him (ideally for a similar young 2-way forward)

      On RD, they then have Chychrun, Zub, Hamonic and JBD.

      Rutta could be an upgrade on Hamonic but the Sens just extended him for 2 years for cheap. If the Sharks retain 50% I wouldn't mind making the swap but not interested in adding picks or anything. It won't happen anyway

      Plus there's JBD who looked more and more ready and has proven to be quite good defensively in the AHL. Just needs to get comfortable in the NHL and get some experience now. Hamonic might just end up the 7th guy
       
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