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Created by: GiggywithGibby

Team: 2023-24 Anaheim Ducks

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 8, 2023

Published: Sep. 9, 2023

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Alright, I know that my fellow Anaheim fans are going to be touchy about trading away Helleson, but here are my thoughts on the matter.

With LaCombe, Helleson, Zelleweger, Mintyukov, and Hinds, plus Warren and Luneau a year behind that group, we have too many young D who may be vying for a roster spot at the same time. Too many young D on the roster at the same time is a recipe for mistakes, so I propose going and getting an improvement on Lyubushkin in Ristolainen.

With Risto, we have another veteran defensive RHD who isn't too old and can play 2nd pairing minutes well, though as first pairing he has suffered in Philly with horrid metrics. For this season, I have him running with Fowler as a partner more specifically because I think Risto is a Gudbrandon type player, and Fowler did VERY well with Guddy when he was here. To keep his minutes down, Risto would play on 2nd PK.

Because Helleson is on his last season of waivers eligibility, with 4 years of Risto, 3 years of the Butcher, and Drysdale, we just can't keep him. I know he's a good prospect, but there's just too many young guys pushing to get onto the big roster.

My thoughts would be to run this for the 24-25 season
Fowler-Drysdale
Mintyukov-Ristolainen
LaCombe-Gudas

Probably look at moving LaCombe out for RW help in order to clear Zelleweger a spot for the 25-26 season. At that point, Warren and Luneau will be in the AHL for their second season and will be nearing NHL readiness. Really need to find a Lindholm replacement and im just not sure that either Vaakainen or Hinds does that. Maybe we spend the 24 1st on Leshunov or Mews. As a rule, I prefer to draft high end RD and C's, as wingers and LHD are easier to find talent in or go shopping for in FA for not too much money.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Drysdale, Jamie		3	$2,000,000
Zegras, Trevor		8	$8,000,000

Trades

ANA

Ristolainen, Rasmus
2024 4th round pick (PHI)

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Yes, they gave up a first and a second to get Risto, but they were paying for a #1 RHD, and Risto just hasn't been that. Big, physical, but has only started to show promise in second pairing work, for which he's paid richly for. Gives Philly a good prospect and doesn't leave a hole in their roster with Lyubushkin going back the other way.

PHI

Buyouts

Simon Despres: $0

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$73,432,917	$0	$3,425,000	$10,067,083

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Jones, Max $1,295,000$1,295,000 LW, RW RFA - 1	McTavish, Mason $894,167$894,167 ($2,500,000$2M) C, LW RFA - 2	Terry, Troy $7,000,000$7,000,000 RW UFA - 7
Zegras, Trevor $8,000,000$8,000,000 C, LW RFA - 3	Strome, Ryan $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, C UFA - 4	Killorn, Alex $6,250,000$6,250,000 RW, LW NTC UFA - 4
Vatrano, Frank $3,650,000$3,650,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Henrique, Adam $1,456,250$1,456,250 LW, C M-NTC UFA - 1	Silfverberg, Jakob $5,250,000$5,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1
McGinn, Brock $2,750,000$2,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Groulx, Benoit-Olivier $775,000$775,000 C RFA - 1	Leason, Brett $775,000$775,000 RW RFA - 1
	Gawdin, Glenn $762,500$762,500 C, RW UFA - 1	Carrick, Sam $425,000$425,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Fowler, Cam $6,500,000$6,500,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Ristolainen, Rasmus $5,100,000$5,100,000 RD UFA - 4	Gibson, John $6,400,000$6,400,000 G M-NTC UFA - 4
Vaakanainen, Urho $850,000$850,000 LD/RD RFA - 1	Drysdale, Jamie $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD RFA - 3	Stalock, Alex $800,000$800,000 G UFA - 1
LaCombe, Jackson $925,000$925,000 ($925,000$925K) LD/RD RFA - 1	Gudas, Radko $4,000,000$4,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 3
Hägg, Robert $775,000$775,000 LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Lundeström, Isac $1,800,000$1,800,000 C, LW RFA - 1

Sep. 9, 2023 at 6:48 p.m.

GMDannyB

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Lol I mean sure if ur offering it

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Sep. 9, 2023 at 6:49 p.m.

JackForHart

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risto is not good flyers take that any day

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Sep. 9, 2023 at 6:50 p.m.

GiggywithGibby

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Quoting: GMDannyB

Lol I mean sure if ur offering it

Toss in a mid round pick to balance if you think I'm getting fleeced.

Sep. 9, 2023 at 6:51 p.m.

GiggywithGibby

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Quoting: JackForHart

risto is not good flyers take that any day

I'm familiar with his metrics and his stats, I think the issue has been over use and improper deployment.

Sep. 9, 2023 at 6:52 p.m.

Jded

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I’m really happy you laid out your thoughts, makes a lot of sense. I think the only push I’d have is whether this type of move makes sense now, or next summer.

We don’t have a roster thats ready to compete right now, so this isn’t going to push us over any hump. It improves our D now, but waiting a year lets us see what we really have in Helleson in a development year that should be pretty telling

I think it’s possible he could be a better 2RD in just a season or two

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Sep. 9, 2023 at 6:54 p.m.

cooliny

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Interested for a slightly used Myers for Helleson?

Jokes aside I think many of the issues with Risto can be said for Myers too

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Sep. 9, 2023 at 6:55 p.m.

palhal

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Risto has four years term...which is too much for a team team with bonuses to pay and hopefully expensive (because they're good) RFA contracts soon.
Gee, if the Ducks wanted a RHD, you would thought they would have tried in free agency . Gee Dumba signed for 3.9m

Sep. 9, 2023 at 6:59 p.m.

GiggywithGibby

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Quoting: cooliny

Interested for a slightly used Myers for Helleson?

Jokes aside I think many of the issues with Risto can be said for Myers too

Main difference being Meyers doesn't hit but Risto does, and Risto is significantly younger. The term risto has is also desirable.

Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:03 p.m.

GiggywithGibby

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Quoting: palhal

Yeah, I know, would have been nice to grab him but I think it's clear he wanted to go somewhere he would be the #1 guy, and he wasn't going to push anyone off the PP in Anaheim. I was hoping we would sign him, but we went with Gudas.

However, 4 years term at 5 million isn't an issue on our roster. 11 million coming off the books next season, and no big signings to do (Jones, LaCombe, and Lundestrom) then the next year when McTavish is due, Vatrano and McGinn are off the books. Get a one year slide on Carlson's ELCs and his deal isn't due until after Killorn, Strome, and Risto are gone, plus Fowler and Gudas fall off the year before that.

Provided half those guys can be replaced internally, Ristos cap hit is of no concern.

Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:04 p.m.

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Not long ago I put up Woo and 2nd on this board for Helleson and I felt a mighty response. I read your explanation but I can't get over Risto being the return for Helleson. If you want some physicality, just keep Lybushkin and Helleson can marinate in SD a bit longer.

Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:10 p.m.

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Quoting: Prime_Jimbo

That is likely what happens. However, this idea is going the other way and getting a known 2nd pairing guy with term who can shelter the LHD we have coming soon. Woo, who frankly looks like an AHL flameout, and a pick just pushes things back for us, rather than moving things forward.

If we're keeping Helleson, we need to pair him with a veteran LHD. So he plays second pairing with Fowler? Or do we have to buy someone, or does he play 3rd pairing with a short term UFA signing? He'd need a year or two tutelage at the NHL level before we can stick him with another rookie, so it's a question of "who can we get" short term. Maybe his fate is 3rd pairing with Vaakainens gritty partner until Gudas breaks down and needs less minutes.

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Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:13 p.m.

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Quoting: GiggywithGibby

Toss in a mid round pick to balance if you think I'm getting fleeced.

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"

- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:16 p.m.

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Quoting: Jded

My thoughts are that stabilizing the backend is critical for all aspects of the team. The forwards need to not have to be trying to cover the defense because they suck (like last year) the young defenseman need veteran partners to allow them to F*** around without always having to find out, and once we bring Dostal up next season we also need to not murder him with shots on goal. Plus IF we are going to move on from Gibson, we need to get him some help so that his stats reflect his abilities.

Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:21 p.m.

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I’d much rather keep Lyubushkin and keep betting on Helleson’s potential than trade for Risto

Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:31 p.m.

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Quoting: VladislavTretiak

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"

- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

There's no lying Risto had brutal stats for quite a while, but the guy was also getting asked to play 25-27 minutes a night and was expected to be a #1Dman.

This past season, in a 2nd pairing shutdown role his stats were rather promising. Didn't contribute to offense at all, but was an asset on the defensive side. Paid too much, but that's not an issue to Anaheim much.

I don't need a #1 guy, I need a big physical second pairing guy who can clear the crease and mentor young defenseman, and Risto seems to be able to do that role just fine.

Sep. 9, 2023 at 8:11 p.m.

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Quoting: GiggywithGibby

I think the last approach makes the most sense especially if teams come shopping for Lybushkin as a cheap add at the TDL or injuries.

Sep. 9, 2023 at 8:58 p.m.

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Quoting: GiggywithGibby

I should have included a smiley. My comment was just for fun.

Sep. 9, 2023 at 9:56 p.m.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who still has some semblance of belief in Risto.

Sep. 9, 2023 at 11:10 p.m.

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Why are you guys so infatuated with “clearing the crease”? How bout defending the blue line and retrieving pucks? That’s more important. Do those things well l, won’t have to clear the crease.

As for this trade, give my Lyubushkin and Helleson over FOUR more seasons if Risto.

If trading a young D, should be for a young upgrade somewhere. Not just because he’s gonna lose waiver exemption.

Mintyukov is the only guarantee to play a significant long term role for the ducks (as long as his play warrants it). The other young D could all be moved because there’s not enough spots for all of them. I would love for them all to pan out and become the entire D core but I don’t think that’s realistic especially when the 3rd pair can be filled out with cheap vets as the team enters its competitive window.

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