i feel like both teams would do this

who do you think mrazek is💀

Who do you think Campbell is 💀💀💀 < 💀

good point

but mrazek is the 3rd wost starting goalie in league

Interesting idea. Not sure Edmonton pays that to move Campbell but they definitely get their desired cap flexibility.

I mean...let's be honest with eachother...the trade isn't really about the $1.9M Mrazek (can still steal you a few games) as much as it is about shedding the 4 year $5M worse player. Even if the Oilers don't win it all this year (which they can still go get another goalie at the TDL if desired. Goalies do NOT cost a lot at the TDL) ...they lose the anchor and can actually go out and get a real goalie.

who do you think is a worse starting goalie??

Well, I'll take your word for it. Assuming, though, that you were using LAST YEAR's stats to make this assessment, the Hawks were TERRIBLE on D last year. This year - with three (THREE!) D rookies playing - they appear to be light years ahead of last year's D. For that matter, with better team speed, too, all the forwards are committed (including Bedard) to playing a 200' game. The lack of team D will hurt any G.

Through two games this year (I know, it's only two games), the Hawks' goalies just might be a lot better than last year. I assume EDM's D is better than the Hawks were, last year?

But this trade isn't necessarily about which goalie is better. EDM's imperative is to win NOW, and this gives them a different, perhaps slightly better "serviceable" goalie than the one they have now, and frees up glorious cap space for them to, in fact, GO FOR IT NOW. If EDM doesn't something like this and they go nowhere, heads will roll, IMO.

I wouldn't do it for the Hawks. Taking on $20M in cap over 4 years plus using a retention spot isn't worth (2) very late 1st round picks IMO. That $5M cap hit in the last year of Soup is going to be impactful when we have Bedard and Korchinski due big raises, Reichel the year prior, and we are going to need to bring in at least one big FA if not two in the next 3 years. Edmonton's window is now and for the next year or two, the value to free up $5M in cap space per year is more valuable to them versus loosing a couple late 1sts.

Well I think you can start with Campbell and Husso. I would also throw Bennington in there with his last couple of years work as a gauge. All three have comparable or worse numbers than Mrazek playing for better teams.

As always, I appreciate your feedback. I would do it because we're rolling off Keith recapture, Connolly, Borgstrom, and Zaitsev and as of today...(huge caveat because obviously not a full roster)...have $50,482,500 in cap space available. The 4th year MIGHT indeed be a bit more painful to take, BUT there are options If/When that day comes. To me that's quite manageable.

I'm already of the opinion that we're going to NEED to start moving up in the draft. Just looking at what's been happening the past few weeks in OTT...lost Lassi, probably should have lost JBD and Sokolov but for their sakes luckily didn't. Doesn't losing Lassi for free diminish the Duchene trade? They're just further along in the rebuild process and can't play everyone. Also, there's the other larger issue about too many draft picks...they can leave like Kevin Hayes/Brandon Hagel.

I'm actually NOT in favor of acquiring late 1st round picks to actually draft late 1st round picks. I'm in favor of paying up to get as many top 15 picks as possible and allowing them time to truly develop into NHL talent like Reichel. It costs ALOT to move up in the draft and I actually think we'll find more willing participants in the future. Whether that's a team like Philly/SJS who's just starting the rebuild...hypothetical example...maybe they're willing to drop from a #3 to a #5 more easily if multiple more picks come with. We're acquiring more assets so that we can get a Artyom Levshunov AND a Konsta Helenius...just examples... Oliver Moore fell to us per KD and we're lucky for it, but we need this draft capital to make moves for high end guys vs acquire more guys.

Doesn't this all also require cap hits to link to qualify of play? We can't really get mad at a Phoenix Copley/Cam Talbot if they don't perform. They're not getting paid like theyre any good anyway. If they do perform...all the better, but $2.5M for your Tandem is cheap. $5M and you can't perform is different than $1.9M and you're not performing.

Not really, measuring the quality of the goalie is based on his ability to keep the puck out of his net, to make the saves he is supposed to make and not give up soft, back breaking goals. If a goalie is paid too much, then that goes against the GM who signed him to the deal.

Let’s put it this way, if Copley or Talbot give up a baby s**t soft goal, I’m pretty sure their teammates aren’t thinking “oh well, he only makes $1m” it’s probably more like “**** dude we have to have that save”.

I don't mean it from a teammate perspective. Once they hit the ice no one should care about the money side. It's the GMs and Caprfiendly that sift through these contracts for appropriate "roster construction". That extra $5M next year might allow EDM to acquire Linus Ullmark for pennies on the dollar like we acquired Hall because BOS wouldn't really want $10M+ to go to the goalie position when they have Swayman ready to take over. They might want to focus on that center depth and keeping their other current players?

Could see Edmonton doing this if Campbell continues to be below .900, maybe around mid-season or deadline.

There may need to be another asset that CHI wont use coming back as well (ex. bottom 6 forward like Perry/Foligno).
Not saying that CHI needs to add but I don't see Holland pulling the trigger on this just to dump cap, he would need to gain a useable player this year too.

Done! I wouldn't be surprised if there's there's also a handshake between Kyle Davidson and Perry/Foligno that come the TDL he'd explore ways to get them to contenders. Yes $4M is gift enough, but it might be about winnig sometimes too.

husso wasnt bad last year, he actually got left out to dry most games. hes a good goalie only if hes on a good team.

That’s essentially the same for most goalies on bad teams, I mean if you want to see hung out to dry, rewind the video from last season’s Blackhawks games.

I like it, and it looks like almost everything has already been said. IMHO, though, if Campbell continues to play this poorly, dumping his contract is worth every bit of those two, likely late, 1st round picks, and then some. So, I get the retention on Mrazek, but not the picks. If EDM is targeting a legit G at the TDL, though, I doubt they would even want Mrazek in return. CHI might be better served using retention on guys like Foligno and Perry, if KD does indeed have a handshake deal to get them to a contender at the deadline, anyway. Or even guys like Murphy, Hall, Donato, Kurashev, etc., if they garner enough interest to justify a trade and are willing/want to go to a playoff team.

I do absolutely agree that the term shouldn't be a problem for CHI. If anything, only the final year would be an issue, at which point CHI could find a way to offload his contract with very little trouble. One year of $5m to a team that is rebuilding/tanking/etc., with the way the cap is supposed to increase, making the price of dumping cap far less than it is currently, it's an easily solved problem. But I don't even think it'll come to that.

I think KD will still be insulating the cap with cap dumps and inflated short term veteran contracts to create as many spots for ELC's and low AAV contracts as possible, at that point, to keep the team above the cap floor. I wouldn't be surprised if there were NO long term UFA signings within the next 5 years. If anything, I see them maybe trading for an RFA that is due a pay day and has a better long term outlook than an older UFA who might look like a boat anchor in the later years of their deal.

That makes sense. If we could, in this scenario, package up (2) late firsts and a 2nd to get into the top 15 I would be all for it.