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Lafreniere

Created by: OutCold13
Team: 2023-24 Minnesota Wild
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 15, 2023
Published: Oct. 15, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Accurate/Prorated
LTIR Enabled: No
Season Days: 192
Days Remaining: 186
Season Remaining: 97%
Projected Cap Hit Prior To Days Remaining Tooltip : $83,448,848
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I guess I hear things haven't gone well in NY for Alexis so wondering if a change of scenery does the trick. Not sure I nailed the value but just throwing it out there. MOJO has a NTC and I'm not sure if it's a full NTC or how many teams are on it, but let's assume a trade to NY could be consummated. Just want to hear thoughts and opinions from both sides.
Trades
MIN
  1. Lafrenière, Alexis ($325,000 retained)
NYR
  1. Johansson, Marcus
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (MIN)
  3. 2025 4th round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$83,500,000$83,456,669$0$850,000$43,331
Prorated Cap Hit

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$9,000,000$8,718,750
LW
UFA - 3
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$1,700,000$1,646,875
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$5,812,500
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$1,937,500
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$5,250,000$5,085,938
C
UFA - 6
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$7,000,000$6,781,250
RW, LW
UFA - 7
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$2,100,000$2,034,375
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$863,333$836,354 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C
RFA - 2
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$3,100,000$3,003,125
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$800,000$775,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$800,000$775,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,065,625
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,000,000$5,812,500
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$925,000$896,094
RD
RFA - 2
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$3,750,000$3,632,813
G
UFA - 3
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$2,450,000$2,373,438
LD
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$1,937,500
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,390,625
G
NMC
UFA - 1
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$1,200,000$1,162,500
LD
UFA - 2
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$825,000$799,219
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$775,000$750,781
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$7,575,000$7,338,281
RD
NMC
UFA - 4

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Oct. 15, 2023 at 3:49 p.m.
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He has zero trade protection. That offer isn't going to come close to getting him if he's made available
Oct. 15, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.
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Lol why would the rangers do this trade
Oct. 15, 2023 at 4:30 p.m.
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A trade for Laf starts at a 1st.

Minimum.

Mojo can be used here as cap compliance, and can be utilized in all three foward spots by NY. But he's not adding much value to the deal. And while Laf's value may have diminished. It's not by that much. He's still going to cost a lot to acquire, if he's even available.

So one of Minnesota’s A-level prospects needs to go back. Again, at minimum. Either likely Ohgren or Yurov. A couple years ago I'd of said Yurov, since at the time NY needed RW talent . But I don't know if that's still true or not.

Bottom line, this isn't anywhere close to enough.
Oct. 15, 2023 at 4:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
He has zero trade protection. That offer isn't going to come close to getting him if he's made available


Johansson has a NTC, on both years of his 2x$2M contract that he signed during the playoffs last year. He would of been UFA this past season otherwise.

But you're correct that that's not enough for Lafreniere.
Oct. 15, 2023 at 4:39 p.m.
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Quoting: RazWild
A trade for Laf starts at a 1st.

Minimum.

Mojo can be used here as cap compliance, and can be utilized in all three foward spots by NY. But he's not adding much value to the deal. And while Laf's value may have diminished. It's not by that much. He's still going to cost a lot to acquire, if he's even available.

So one of Minnesota’s A-level prospects needs to go back. Again, at minimum. Either likely Ohgren or Yurov. A couple years ago I'd of said Yurov, since at the time NY needed RW talent . But I don't know if that's still true or not.

Bottom line, this isn't anywhere close to enough.


Lafrenière will cost no where near a 1st plus a A prospect. He’d be lucky to get a 1st in return at this point. Something similar to what Nail Yakupov got Edmonton is a fair comparison.
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Oct. 15, 2023 at 4:39 p.m.
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Quoting: RazWild
Johansson has a NTC, on both years of his 2x$2M contract that he signed during the playoffs last year. He would of been UFA this past season otherwise.

But you're correct that that's not enough for Lafreniere.


I was talking about Lafreniere having no trade protection
Oct. 15, 2023 at 4:40 p.m.
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Drury says not even close and just hangs up on you.
Oct. 15, 2023 at 4:45 p.m.
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Quoting: GreatWhiteNorth
Lafrenière will cost no where near a 1st plus a A prospect. He’d be lucky to get a 1st in return at this point. Something similar to what Nail Yakupov got Edmonton is a fair comparison.


Then they wouldn’t trade him lol. He’s doing fine right now with Panarin and Chytil
Oct. 15, 2023 at 4:45 p.m.
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Quoting: RazWild
A trade for Laf starts at a 1st.

Minimum.

Mojo can be used here as cap compliance, and can be utilized in all three foward spots by NY. But he's not adding much value to the deal. And while Laf's value may have diminished. It's not by that much. He's still going to cost a lot to acquire, if he's even available.

So one of Minnesota’s A-level prospects needs to go back. Again, at minimum. Either likely Ohgren or Yurov. A couple years ago I'd of said Yurov, since at the time NY needed RW talent . But I don't know if that's still true or not.

Bottom line, this isn't anywhere close to enough.


Someone who gets it. A lot of people don’t realize there’s a difference between laffy’s value VS what it’ll take to pry him out of NY
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Oct. 15, 2023 at 4:58 p.m.
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Quoting: GreatWhiteNorth
Lafrenière will cost no where near a 1st plus a A prospect. He’d be lucky to get a 1st in return at this point. Something similar to what Nail Yakupov got Edmonton is a fair comparison.


Guess what then we don’t move him. What he’s worth versus what we’d be willing to trade him for are two very different things. The trade above isn’t gonna cut it. At the very least I’d want another 22 year old making less than $3 mil for another year who’s had at least 35 points in the league at 21. If not there’s no reason for us to trade him.
Oct. 15, 2023 at 5:03 p.m.
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Rangers ask for 2024 1st +
Oct. 15, 2023 at 7:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I was talking about Lafreniere having no trade protection


And the OG author, a Wild fan, expressly stated in his post description that Johansson has a NTC. But wasn't sure if he had a full NTC or just a 10-team NTC.

Whether Lafreniere has one or not is inconsequential and irrelevant to the discussion at hand. It was strictly in regards to Johansson.
Oct. 15, 2023 at 7:39 p.m.
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Quoting: GreatWhiteNorth
Lafrenière will cost no where near a 1st plus a A prospect. He’d be lucky to get a 1st in return at this point. Something similar to what Nail Yakupov got Edmonton is a fair comparison.


He absolutely does.

1) Lafreniere is hardly Yakupov.

2) He's only 22. There's still plenty of time for him to break out.

3) It's incredibly hard to produce top-six production from a 3rd line role. Which is where he's been stuck since he entered the league. Under two different coaches, now three, and has yet to have any consistent time in NY's top-six. That kinda matters.

In fact, this is literally the first year that he's had either the opportunity to seize a top-six role or will be utilized in one regularly. He's otherwise been blocked from the role to date.

It's incredibly early to be calling him a bust.

4) A former 1st overall pick who is still under 23 years old is still going to command a hefty acquisition price regardless of their production or development. Because that potential upside and talent is still going to be there. Especially when that player HAS shown flashes of the skillset that got them picked 1st overall in the first place even in the NHL.

At this point Laf needs either one if two things.

1) To be given a top-six role, and let him sink or swim no matter what over the course of an entire season.

Or 2) Be given a fresh start somewhere else.
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Oct. 15, 2023 at 9:11 p.m.
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Quoting: RazWild
He absolutely does.

1) Lafreniere is hardly Yakupov.

2) He's only 22. There's still plenty of time for him to break out.

3) It's incredibly hard to produce top-six production from a 3rd line role. Which is where he's been stuck since he entered the league. Under two different coaches, now three, and has yet to have any consistent time in NY's top-six. That kinda matters.

In fact, this is literally the first year that he's had either the opportunity to seize a top-six role or will be utilized in one regularly. He's otherwise been blocked from the role to date.

It's incredibly early to be calling him a bust.

4) A former 1st overall pick who is still under 23 years old is still going to command a hefty acquisition price regardless of their production or development. Because that potential upside and talent is still going to be there. Especially when that player HAS shown flashes of the skillset that got them picked 1st overall in the first place even in the NHL.

At this point Laf needs either one if two things.

1) To be given a top-six role, and let him sink or swim no matter what over the course of an entire season.

Or 2) Be given a fresh start somewhere else.


By the time a player is 22 and was a former first round pick, they’re expected to be a big contributor in the NHL. & if that player was the former #1 overall pick, he’s absolutely expected to be a point producer in the top 6 consistently by 22.

Yakupov was a former 1st overall pick that was traded when he was 23 and had 80 points in 204 games at the time (0.39ppg).
Lafrenière currently has 92 points in 218 games played (0.42ppg) and is only a year younger than Yakupov was at the time he was traded.. how is that not a comparable? Just because it doesn’t fit your narrative?
Oct. 16, 2023 at 9:59 a.m.
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Not even close. This gives zero benefit to the Rangers.
Oct. 16, 2023 at 10:08 a.m.
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Quoting: GreatWhiteNorth
By the time a player is 22 and was a former first round pick, they’re expected to be a big contributor in the NHL. & if that player was the former #1 overall pick, he’s absolutely expected to be a point producer in the top 6 consistently by 22.

Yakupov was a former 1st overall pick that was traded when he was 23 and had 80 points in 204 games at the time (0.39ppg).
Lafrenière currently has 92 points in 218 games played (0.42ppg) and is only a year younger than Yakupov was at the time he was traded.. how is that not a comparable? Just because it doesn’t fit your narrative?


If you think he's so bad then why do you want to trade for him? If he really cost this little to acquire then he would've been traded long ago. You have an unrealistic view of how trading works in this league, this is a supply and demand market and the Rangers frankly have no reason to trade Laf when he's on a very cost-effective contract. Also if you wanna bring up comparables how about Alex Newhook, Griffin Reinhart, Nils Lundkvist, and Kirby Dach? They were all traded 3-5 years after they were drafted(which is where Laf is now) for a first and more and have had similar or worse point totals relative to their position at the time they were traded. If you wanna say that Yakupov is the only comparable for his point totals in the NHL, then please take a look at the Sedins.

The biggest thing you're not understanding though about this is leverage, Laf has no trade protection and is on a low-cap contract. Why would they give Laf up? What reason would they have to give up a player who's played well on the 2nd line so far this season especially on a high-value contract? The answer is none, so they won't trade him unless another team gives them a very good reason. A middle 6er(who honestly I would take Laf over anyways) and a few mid-picks aren't gonna cut it. And don't even get me started on the retention you're asking for on Laf.
Oct. 16, 2023 at 11:22 a.m.
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Quoting: GreatWhiteNorth
By the time a player is 22 and was a former first round pick, they’re expected to be a big contributor in the NHL. & if that player was the former #1 overall pick, he’s absolutely expected to be a point producer in the top 6 consistently by 22.

Yakupov was a former 1st overall pick that was traded when he was 23 and had 80 points in 204 games at the time (0.39ppg).
Lafrenière currently has 92 points in 218 games played (0.42ppg) and is only a year younger than Yakupov was at the time he was traded.. how is that not a comparable? Just because it doesn’t fit your narrative?


Now compare numbers at even strength only because he doesn’t play powerplay or penalty kill lol. He’s been strictly a 3rd liner who puts up about 40 at ES
 
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