Your post is entitled getting desperate...the proceeds to grab 2 really nice pieces and 1 of the Hawks retention slots...

You get by far the single most valuable piece in the trade and a starting goalie for a washed up overpaid goalie, a good young winger, and a solid prospect.

No thanks, it is primordial to keep Forsberg

Also, Sens are not going to separate Forsberg and Korpisalo this season (and probably next). Korpi specifically signed in Ottawa to play with Anton. You just don't mess with these thing when it comes to UFAs.

No huge interest in Raddysh and Greene, I have seen several better offers for Pinto

Awful trade for Ottawa, and really pointless trade for Chicago.

CHI would want to be really high on Pinto. At best Raddysh may fetch a 1st at the TDL this year and Greene has been a pleasant surprise at BU last season. Seems like a lot for CHI to give up even if Pinto is the most valuable asset in the trade.

Hawks unlikely to accept. Greene is a solid prospect, Raddysh also scored 20 goals last season like Pinto and had 2 more points than Pinto and using a retention slot on mrazek is simply not worth it.

I'm going to disagree with the other Hawks fans on here and say the Hawks probably accept. Pinto is clearly the best player in this trade.

I’ve seen Forsberg play for Chicago and I don’t ever want to see him in a hawks jersey again

I don’t like including Greene in the trade, it pushes it to far in favor of Sens. If we can switch him out for someone like Kayurmov (remember I said like) then it sounds good to me

Add a 2nd going back to Chi for the retention slot, and it might be palpable.

But I still don't see Chi doing this.

I guess I just disagree on the magnitude in which you're suggesting. "by far"...I'm not so sure "by far" is appropriate. I will agree he's better than those pieces individually, but this CERTIANLY doesn't sound desperate to me, which was my point. Does he have more value than TRad. I'd agree. I'm not agreeing that Ryan Greene is that delta. We really like him as a prospect. But again, to the biggest point no one's talking about. Hawks are not desperate. The Hawks are looking to take advantage of other team's mistakes. We're not attempting to give other teams good deals. We're trying to make our team better and if the other team loses (for example) a Taylor Hall for (2) AHLers...sorry, not sorry, never going to be sorry...fix your house Dorion.

You made an excellent point here as far as I’m concerned. To elaborate; no matter who Ottawa trades & no matter who they trade with, they will not be dealing from a position of strength. To expect an even trade seems to be setting themselves up for disappointment. The question then remains: how one sided will it need to be in order to get something done? Time will tell.

ok... but do you realize that it was 6 years ago and he had 10 NHL games of experience before that season with Chicago? No matter how bad you think he was, 0.908 SV% is not like disastrous or anything

That said, he has been excellent in Ottawa, 0.912 SV% and a 14.4 GSAA behind a less than ideal team defense

A Blackhawks fan is proposing here, I am stating reasons why Ottawa doesn't want to do that.

The hope is that Dorion didn't screw up the relation with Pinto and that they will sign him (but when? That situation should be resolved by now) and that they will move Kubalik to make space. If it comes down to trading Pinto, then picks/prospects might be the way they will have to go, because it would mean they are keeping Kubalik and the roster/cap space is full.

Dorion's move here is the single most interesting thing (outside of the Blackhawks...aka...Bedard organization...admitting my bias) in the NHL. He's got a few terrible options and no good option. No matter the move it's a bad one. So pick the least bad and just F'ing doing it. He's hoping teams will now see Kubalik or Mathier in a different light than they did previously, BUT from the outside looking in...it doesn't appear they do or it would have happened already. PLUS, he's not getting fair value for Pinto...or THAT would have happened already. So which medicine does he take? Dump Kubalik to which he literally said that he felt he got a decent return for Debrincat with? Dump Mathieu (which I'm not in favor of) and pay the price being asked? Or trade Pinto with the upside/downside risks associated.

Hawks were forced to trade away a 21 year old that scored 35 points in 78 games...kinda sounds similar to Pinto. That was just to get rid of 1 year of Bickell. Hawks fans know the situation you're in because we've been living that life since 2016. TRUE the years before that were fun so I can't complain.

Agreed with the general idea except the highlighted as this argument doesn't work most of the time because we barely have access to any of the real information


Part of the problem, he paints himself in corners all the time, talks too much and ends up not wanting to "lose face", probably the reason why he hasn't moved Kubalik who is losing value every each game (like I predicted that he wasn't needed and wouldn't fit)

The guy is totally clueless


I don't know if you watched the games but no one in his right mind would move Mathieu Joseph right now. I wouldn't trade him for a 2nd round pick so if Dorion pays anything to move him, I will be FURIOUS

Whatever CF narrative on Joseph there was this summer, it has sunk. It is over.


OK but this is not similar at all though. Ottawa currently doesn't have a single bad contract as they already paid to move them (Zaitsev and Murray).

Agreed with 99.9% of what you said so I didn't copy it all. the only difference is that you don't have Pinto signed and I'd argue Bickell wasn't a bad contract too, but that's my CHI bias (or potentially a situational bias towards not getting screwed over) because I thought Bickell was great for the Hawks.

Yeah he was at one point but 2016... I don't remember when or not when lol

And that's your outside opinion which I respect and it's mostly because I've gone through years of getting worked over via trades due to being up against the cap. OTT fans are new to this...maybe more consideration on valuation needs to be given to outsiders of OTT's fan base with regards to their own contracts.

Don't worry I am not new to this, I was there at the beginning of the cap era, and I was there long before that. I have not just followed Ottawa. I was already looking deeply into that in 2005, same with advanced stats when they came out. Or I was already talking about "paces" long before most people

I was simply saying that I don't remember when Bickell became a cap dump or not as we're talking years ago... it must be around 2015 when he had 2 more years at 4.0 AAV, hence why they sold Teuvo at a bargain of 2nd + 3rd while attaching Bickell's contract.

Note that the correct way to look at this is that Bickell was signed, it represented 6.22% of the cap, which would be 5,193,700$ against the 83.5 cap today