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If the Oilers blow it up

Created by: JeffGorton
Team: 2023-24 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 12, 2023
Published: Nov. 12, 2023
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This is a full blown blow up, like at minimum a 5 year rebuild.

RNH stays as hes a Oiler lifer and the next captain. Ekholm can stay as vet leader ship. Hyman can be dealt when a retention opnes up.

I probably got the values wrong but no one really knows these players actual values
Trades
1.
EDM
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Engström, Adam [Reserve List]
  3. Slafkovsky, Juraj
  4. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
  5. 2025 2nd round pick (PIT)
  6. 2026 1st round pick (MTL)
2.
EDM
  1. Faber, Brock
  2. Gaudreau, Frédérick
  3. Merrill, Jon
  4. Öhgren, Liam
  5. Rossi, Marco
  6. 2025 1st round pick (MIN)
  7. 2026 1st round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. McDavid, Connor ($6,250,000 retained)
3.
EDM
    For retaining 3.1m of Mcdavids deal
    CHI
    1. Savoie, Carter
    2. 2025 2nd round pick (PIT)
    4.
    VAN
    1. Nurse, Darnell ($4,625,000 retained)
    Buyouts
    Retained Salary Transactions
    Buried
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2024
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    2025
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    2026
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    25$83,500,000$76,711,625$850,000$4,725,000$6,788,375
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$650,000$650K)
    LW, C
    RFA - 1
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    $5,125,000$5,125,000
    LW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
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    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $5,125,000$5,125,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $4,450,000$4,450,000
    C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $874,125$874,125
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $2,100,000$2,100,000
    C, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    C
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $807,500$807,500
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $2,100,000$2,100,000
    C
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $3,900,000$3,900,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $2,600,000$2,600,000
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $3,250,000$3,250,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $762,500$762,500
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $2,750,000$2,750,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $925,000$925,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $775,000$775,000 (Performance Bonus$3,225,000$3M)
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $1,200,000$1,200,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $762,500$762,500
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $900,000$900,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
    $775,000$775,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 1

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    Nov. 12, 2023 at 4:09 a.m.
    #1
    PDG over PDO
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    Canucks pass
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    Nov. 12, 2023 at 6:40 a.m.
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    CHI might consider that. I doubt they would have any interest in Savoie, though.
    Nov. 12, 2023 at 6:57 a.m.
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    If Leon was signed longterm sure. But hes not, so no.
    Also Mcdavid and Leon seem to have horrible attitudes, even going back 3/4 seasons. Id be skeptical
    Nov. 12, 2023 at 7:04 a.m.
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    If this was a sign & trade in the offseason, Habs maybe do this. Not for 1.5 years of Drai though, even though he's great
    Nov. 12, 2023 at 8:24 a.m.
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    Jesus Christ Is King
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    Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
    If Leon was signed longterm sure. But hes not, so no.
    Also Mcdavid and Leon seem to have horrible attitudes, even going back 3/4 seasons. Id be skeptical


    Name the last competent Management they played under
    MSL as Coach, Hughes as GM . . I think Drisatl's happy.
    Nov. 12, 2023 at 8:44 a.m.
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    Quoting: Billy316
    Name the last competent Management they played under
    MSL as Coach, Hughes as GM . . I think Drisatl's happy.


    They've had how many coaches already in their careers?
    They're culpable too. Ya Edm has run circles a bit-but lets face it, these guys have to lead the way on the ice
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    Nov. 12, 2023 at 8:53 a.m.
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    Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
    They've had how many coaches already in their careers?
    They're culpable too. Ya Edm has run circles a bit-but lets face it, these guys have to lead the way on the ice


    But lead what? They've lead the league and the team , others have to show up too or at least be brought in
    I watched Wendall Clark in TML do the same for years.
    He chose to stay loyal instead of leave and suffered for it.
    Dri and McD dont want to split up more then they want to be in EDM
    If a team can capitalize on that locking up Dri and making room for McD
    I think they'd play awesome

    Lets say CHI makes the room long term to overpay them
    Surround Bedard with the best talent for the first few years.
    Maybe they work out a deal for both to stay, maybe they dont.

    SEA is another team in a position to go all in
    Nov. 12, 2023 at 10:13 a.m.
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    This is so bad
    Nov. 12, 2023 at 12:04 p.m.
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    Go Habs Go
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    Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
    They've had how many coaches already in their careers?
    They're culpable too. Ya Edm has run circles a bit-but lets face it, these guys have to lead the way on the ice


    Quoting: Billy316
    But lead what? They've lead the league and the team , others have to show up too or at least be brought in
    I watched Wendall Clark in TML do the same for years.
    He chose to stay loyal instead of leave and suffered for it.
    Dri and McD dont want to split up more then they want to be in EDM
    If a team can capitalize on that locking up Dri and making room for McD
    I think they'd play awesome

    Lets say CHI makes the room long term to overpay them
    Surround Bedard with the best talent for the first few years.
    Maybe they work out a deal for both to stay, maybe they dont.

    SEA is another team in a position to go all in


    They're a product of their environment and that environment has been pretty stagnant, especially through their development years.
    Top heavy lineup with no direction or shared responsibility through the forward group, poor personnel decisions on and off the ice, a perpetual search for a goaltender that will solve issues that can't be narrowed down to that one position, and just hedging their bets in general by settling on the next best thing instead of spending assets to secure players that will make a difference.

    It's not McD and Draisaitl's fault that Edmonton became a 2 man show. That's the position they were put in.
    Of the seven 1st round picks since McDavid, only Bouchard is making meaningful contributions. Two of those ended up being "busts" and the most recent three simply aren't ready (yet?).
    The other is Broberg, who is hovering somewhere between bust and not ready yet.
    They finally made an impact move acquiring Ekholm, but you can't play the waiting game while McDavid's contract years are ticking away.

    They aren't the only team to gamble on a UFA goaltender over the last few years and regret it, but is the goaltending consistency related to the ability of their goaltenders over the last several years, or is it a product of the construction and deployment of the team in front of them?

    The bottom 6 lacks identity and inclusion. They only see the ice because McDavid and Draisaitl can't play 60 minutes straight.
    When your job description is basically "don't get scored on while the real players are resting", it's not particularly motivating or likely to result in offensive contributions.
    The defense have all proven capable to varying degrees at one point or another, but they lack cohesiveness as a unit and they're expected to prop up that same flawed forward group.

    Two players aren't going to solve all the issues, so stop focusing on what they are or are not doing. It's what's going on with the rest of the team that is an issue.
    A good team can get by with average goaltending, but only a few truly elite goaltenders can get by with an average team. If you can't get one of the latter, focus on the "good team" part.
    There are plenty of average goaltenders available when the team is ready for one.
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    Nov. 12, 2023 at 12:22 p.m.
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    Canucks easily decline. Nurse is not worth all that.
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    Nov. 12, 2023 at 5:01 p.m.
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    Canucks pass, we already have an overpaid d-man who sucks at playing defense. We might consider trading for Nurse and giving you Tyler Myers, but we would need to sign him to a contract extension for the next 7 years first, so you'll be saddled with a terrible d-man for as long as you want to saddle us with one.
    Nov. 13, 2023 at 9:15 a.m.
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    Quoting: Epic_Ninja_Dude
    Canucks easily decline. Nurse is not worth all that.


    He is at 4.6m

    Hes still a very good d man. Nearing elite level. His issue is that hes overpayed by 2m. Nurse at 4.6m for 7 years is a bargain.
    Nov. 13, 2023 at 1:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: JeffGorton
    He is at 4.6m

    Hes still a very good d man. Nearing elite level. His issue is that hes overpayed by 2m. Nurse at 4.6m for 7 years is a bargain.


    Whoops, I completely missed the retention for some reason. At $4.6M he's a good contract, certainly not worth the $9M+ that he's making now though. It's still a pretty price to pay, but at 50% retained Nurse is probably worth that. Just don't see him as a fit for Vancouver, giving up 2 1sts+ for what would at best be a 2nd pairing guy doesn't seem like the best idea.
    Nov. 13, 2023 at 2:01 p.m.
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    McDavid and Kaprizov is now my new worst nightmare, especially since it’s within my team’s division
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    Nov. 13, 2023 at 5:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: Epic_Ninja_Dude
    Whoops, I completely missed the retention for some reason. At $4.6M he's a good contract, certainly not worth the $9M+ that he's making now though. It's still a pretty price to pay, but at 50% retained Nurse is probably worth that. Just don't see him as a fit for Vancouver, giving up 2 1sts+ for what would at best be a 2nd pairing guy doesn't seem like the best idea.


    I wouldnt see him as a 2nd pairing guy, more like a 1B. Pairing him with Hronek and letting Wallander go with Hughes would be a dirty top 4 and a very cheap one for a few years
    Nov. 13, 2023 at 5:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: IconicHawk
    McDavid and Kaprizov is now my new worst nightmare, especially since it’s within my team’s division


    McDavid vs Bedard for 10+ years would be so much fun though
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    Nov. 14, 2023 at 7:10 a.m.
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    Quoting: ricochetii
    They're a product of their environment and that environment has been pretty stagnant, especially through their development years.
    Top heavy lineup with no direction or shared responsibility through the forward group, poor personnel decisions on and off the ice, a perpetual search for a goaltender that will solve issues that can't be narrowed down to that one position, and just hedging their bets in general by settling on the next best thing instead of spending assets to secure players that will make a difference.

    It's not McD and Draisaitl's fault that Edmonton became a 2 man show. That's the position they were put in.
    Of the seven 1st round picks since McDavid, only Bouchard is making meaningful contributions. Two of those ended up being "busts" and the most recent three simply aren't ready (yet?).
    The other is Broberg, who is hovering somewhere between bust and not ready yet.
    They finally made an impact move acquiring Ekholm, but you can't play the waiting game while McDavid's contract years are ticking away.

    They aren't the only team to gamble on a UFA goaltender over the last few years and regret it, but is the goaltending consistency related to the ability of their goaltenders over the last several years, or is it a product of the construction and deployment of the team in front of them?

    The bottom 6 lacks identity and inclusion. They only see the ice because McDavid and Draisaitl can't play 60 minutes straight.
    When your job description is basically "don't get scored on while the real players are resting", it's not particularly motivating or likely to result in offensive contributions.
    The defense have all proven capable to varying degrees at one point or another, but they lack cohesiveness as a unit and they're expected to prop up that same flawed forward group.

    Two players aren't going to solve all the issues, so stop focusing on what they are or are not doing. It's what's going on with the rest of the team that is an issue.
    A good team can get by with average goaltending, but only a few truly elite goaltenders can get by with an average team. If you can't get one of the latter, focus on the "good team" part.
    There are plenty of average goaltenders available when the team is ready for one.


    Remove Nurse and you got the Cap to hire as productive of a replacement and 4-6m left to spend on depth.
    Thats EDM real issue . You can overpay productive studs
    But when your Goaltending sucks no matter who's in net, who the coach is and with none of the same D
    The Common factor is and always will be Nurse

    Nurse is a solid 4-5m dollar player tops
    But they paid him Seth Jones money when he aint Seth Jones level of Skill.
    Just saying replace him with lets say David Savard or even Connor Murph coupled with Ekholm leading
    You got the time and space to Truly Develop Bouchard into the top 10 NHL D i know he is.


    Nurse is still attractive to some
    But thats only teams in similar situations.
    Like Weber/Subban deal its nothing to do with talent or fairness or value.
    It'll have to be a simple contract exchange most likely or something close.

    Nurse for Huberdeau is another Neal vs Lucic type gamble
    But the change of scenary is a bonus for both.
    Both teams Need what the other is offering too
     
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