doesn't get Binnington.

Real question is: is he even good? He is an upgrade to Husso, but he has not been very good for a few years now.

Doesn't particularly matter too much. Gibson has been meh and he still has strong value. However, Binnington has been good this season.

Doesn't make sense to trade for a $6M goalie right now, especially if it includes Berg.

Yes he’s very good, he had one bad year really and even then you have to look at the defense. I mean he had to constantly face 40 or more shots a night

I know this is a fairly minor trade but the Hawks decline. Fabbri can't stay healthy so he's essentially a cap dump. The Hawks value Foligno more than a potential 3rd round pick. It would take a 1st in this trade especially if you want the Hawks to retain salary. With that said, I highly doubt Detroit pulls the trigger with the modification, nor should they. I don't think both teams benefit in either scenario.

Heh. You should try watching hockey some time. Yes, Binnington is good. He was good last season, he's been good this season. He's only had one bad season so far (21-22), and even then he was the hottest goalie in the playoffs before getting run.

The Blues will pass, thanks.

That's just false. This year he looks good though.

STL has invested more in D than basically anyone. That's not the only reason he looked awful for 1.5-2 years.

I once read this and wondered what happened to him

"But bad defending can’t explain away three seasons of below-average goaltending, and a GSAA of minus-19.16 last season, nor an average .901 SV% and 3.06 GAA since the start of the 2020-21 campaign."

No not the only reason he would let in a softy here and there
But it is the biggest reason
While Krug leddy and Faulk are all good dman having all 3 in the top 4 isn’t a recipe for success

Heh. And who said that?

And FYI: The average sv pct the last two seasons was .899, so .901 would be above average. As for all the xG based stats, xG is a very flawed "stat" that requires more context than it provides.

It's not even remotely false. It's dead on balls accurate.

Don't see the blues trading Binnington while we are in a playoff position or close to one

While true. They didn’t invest it wisely. 13m oj two offensive d men and another 7.5 trying to get a partner for Parayko that they could throw out there in horrible usage to cover for the offensive d men.

While stats don’t show it. Binnington probably was our best player last season. The defensive system Van Ryn tried implementing was absolutely god awful and led to a ton and I mean a ton of back door tap ins and unchecked guys in front of the net.

21-22 Binnington wasn’t great. But he was phenomenal in the playoffs.

Regardless of what anyone wants to read in to or believe, Binnington has a pretty long history of showing up in the playoffs. He’ll have decent value if the Blues would want to move him for some reason.

There’s not many goalies for my money I’d take over Binnington in the playoffs. And the fact that he’s been pretty much absolved of all wrong doing over the past couple of seasons by the fan base in large part ahould show the level of ineptitude there has been on the backend the past couple of seasons in our own zone.

Coming from a Blues fan I'll take it with a grain of salt. He does not sniff the top 10.

Point is he has not been very good.

Coming from someone who clearly never watches Binnington play...

And I never said he was top 10. Again, try watching hockey some time. It's fun and then you don't have to ask everyone about players, get answers and then somehow tell the people who actually know what they're talking about how little they know. That's just weird.

And more FYI: Binnington, the Stanley Cup winner who was second in the Conn Smythe voting, has a career save percentage of .907. Since he entered the league there has yet to be an average save percentage higher than .905, with four of the six seasons at .901 or lower.

So you tell us dummies who watch him every game: is he above average or not?

Says who?

Dude, we're trying like hell to educate you here. And lemme tell ya, it's needed.

Hawks decline. I'm not even sure the Hawks would take Fabbri for that 3rd if Foligno is taken out of the deal. Fabbri just can't stay healthy. His value is pretty minimal. Foligno has developed some nice chemistry w/ Bedard. No chance the Hawks break that up now for a 3rd and Fabbri.

I think our standard is just different. You're here telling me he is good and also saying he is slightly better statistically than league average as well as not a top 10 Goalie.

Look, I made a deal involving him so I clearly don't think he is garbage. But you coming at me like I don't know what Binnington is makes you look defensive for some weird reason.

No, me accurately correcting you is not defensive. Refusing to take knowledge from someone who knows... well... that kinda is. You can't just read a stat sheet/model and understand everything, man. Last season, Binnington was very much a victim of the team and his stats dramatically under-served his actual performance. Conversely, in 20-21 his stats were quite decent, but flattered his actual performance, which was terribly inconsistent. In both of these cases, one would have to actually watch some hockey to understand his performance level.

Again, no one says he is terrible. But he isn’t exactly great. He’s slightly above average. If you want to argue this then maybe you need to understand what you are watching.