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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 29, 2023
Published: Nov. 29, 2023
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Nov. 29, 2023 at 9:11 p.m.
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I think it's the best game by Anderson today.................
Nov. 29, 2023 at 9:12 p.m.
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I don't mind him... except on pp1.

Right now Ylonen is definitely playing better and deserving of more ice than Anderson and Armia. Beyond this I'm fine with him on the team.
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Nov. 29, 2023 at 9:13 p.m.
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Quoting: ht42
I think it's the best game by Anderson today.................


being average compared to complete ass is still ass
Nov. 29, 2023 at 9:14 p.m.
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Quoting: LumberJacques
I don't mind him... except on pp1.

Right now Ylonen is definitely playing better and deserving of more ice than Anderson and Armia. Beyond this I'm fine with him on the team.


Hes literally one of the worst players in the league. All hes done this year is draw penalties but he also takes them so its barely a positive
Nov. 29, 2023 at 9:15 p.m.
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He is playing pretty good in the last few games and he has decent advanced stats. He should get off pp1 but that’s it
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Nov. 29, 2023 at 9:22 p.m.
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It's fine, keep him... The Atlantic division insists you do for the next 4+ years
Nov. 29, 2023 at 9:24 p.m.
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Hes literally one of the worst players in the league. All hes done this year is draw penalties but he also takes them so its barely a positive


Apart from being incredibly snake-bitten he hasn't played much better or worst than in any previous season. He's gotten more breakaways than any other player on the team and probably more scoring chances than all but 3 or 4 players on the team. In any other season he'd already be on 6 or 7 goals with the way he's played.
Nov. 29, 2023 at 9:30 p.m.
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The Sabres….
DO NOT WANT….
Jake Allen


Get it through your head please!!!
Nov. 29, 2023 at 9:39 p.m.
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Quoting: LumberJacques
Apart from being incredibly snake-bitten he hasn't played much better or worst than in any previous season. He's gotten more breakaways than any other player on the team and probably more scoring chances than all but 3 or 4 players on the team. In any other season he'd already be on 6 or 7 goals with the way he's played.


doesnt matter if you cant convert your chances.
Nov. 29, 2023 at 9:54 p.m.
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He is playing pretty good in the last few games and he has decent advanced stats. He should get off pp1 but that’s it


His advanced stats are pretty horrific. Curious to know which ones you're talking about that say he's been decent?
Nov. 29, 2023 at 9:54 p.m.
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Quoting: drambui
doesnt matter if you cant convert your chances.


You're not wrong but this is a guy who historically has finished those chances, and lets be honest anybody but an equally snake-bitten Lehkonen would have finished at least a couple of those. I'll be more concerned about the player when he stops getting those chances.
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Nov. 29, 2023 at 10:00 p.m.
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Quoting: dgibb10
His advanced stats are pretty horrific. Curious to know which ones you're talking about that say he's been decent?


He is fifth for expected goals per 60 on the team. He has the second best xGoals at 5v5. Acceptable Fenwick and Corsi. Pretty much all stats are acceptable
Nov. 29, 2023 at 10:03 p.m.
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
He is fifth for expected goals per 60 on the team. He has the second best xGoals at 5v5. Acceptable Fenwick and Corsi. Pretty much all stats are acceptable


his xGoals share 5v5 is pretty horrific at 35%. He has a lot of xGoals personally yes, but he simply does not drive play in the SLIGHTEST for any of his teammates because he's an awful passer. His defensive metrics are pretty bad accross the board.

His even strength corsi and fenwick are both sub 40% as well
Nov. 29, 2023 at 10:04 p.m.
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Quoting: LumberJacques
You're not wrong but this is a guy who historically has finished those chances, and lets be honest anybody but an equally snake-bitten Lehkonen would have finished at least a couple of those. I'll be more concerned about the player when he stops getting those chances.


you are right, hopefully it wont last too long!
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Nov. 29, 2023 at 10:17 p.m.
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his xGoals share 5v5 is pretty horrific at 35%. He has a lot of xGoals personally yes, but he simply does not drive play in the SLIGHTEST for any of his teammates because he's an awful passer. His defensive metrics are pretty bad accross the board.

His even strength corsi and fenwick are both sub 40% as well


Obviously his passing metrics are bad since he is a goal scorer and he never was a passer.

His corsi and fenwick overall are pretty good
Nov. 29, 2023 at 11:01 p.m.
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Joey Anderson > Josh Anderson
Nov. 29, 2023 at 11:13 p.m.
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You know nothing JS
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Edited Nov. 29, 2023 at 11:21 p.m.
Quoting: LumberJacques
You're not wrong but this is a guy who historically has finished those chances, and lets be honest anybody but an equally snake-bitten Lehkonen would have finished at least a couple of those. I'll be more concerned about the player when he stops getting those chances.


I actually like his play. Yeah the present bashing purely based on stats does fell like Lehky back when....

Usually snipers on a cold streak are invisible. Josh is physical, attacks the slot and get good looks. It shows great mental strength and reassures me he will get out of this slump sooner than later.

It is the fact he does get all those chances and post hits that makes it so frustrating ... and quite frankly just laughable at this point.

As for trading him, don't panic and sell low. Just go on with the season, it's not like if playoffs were the objective anyway. A Tom Wilson light at half the salary will be in demand eventually.
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Nov. 30, 2023 at 2:06 a.m.
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
Obviously his passing metrics are bad since he is a goal scorer and he never was a passer.

His corsi and fenwick overall are pretty good


His corsi and fenwick overall are inflated by playing a lot of power play time and no PK time.

At even strength they’re both sub 40%, which is pretty awful
Nov. 30, 2023 at 3:20 p.m.
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Quoting: AntiAnalytics
The Sabres….
DO NOT WANT….
Jake Allen


Get it through your head please!!!


why wouldnt they want a starting goalie? Luukkonen is playing well but he cant do it himself. Levi could use 2 years in the AHL
Nov. 30, 2023 at 3:52 p.m.
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why wouldnt they want a starting goalie? Luukkonen is playing well but he cant do it himself. Levi could use 2 years in the AHL


Allen isn’t good- ZERO INTEREST

If the Sabres go after a goalie-IF- then it’ll be a legit starter
Allen is a backup quality goalie
Nov. 30, 2023 at 6:15 p.m.
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Quoting: AntiAnalytics
Allen isn’t good- ZERO INTEREST

If the Sabres go after a goalie-IF- then it’ll be a legit starter
Allen is a backup quality goalie


Hes the 30th ranked goalie this year. Thats a starter. And whos that legit starter? Saros, hes been ****. Gibson, too much term. Theres no one else
Nov. 30, 2023 at 6:22 p.m.
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Hes the 30th ranked goalie this year. Thats a starter. And whos that legit starter? Saros, hes been ****. Gibson, too much term. Theres no one else


Like i said, “IF”
And how exactly is Allen ranked 30th?
Allen is ABSOLUTELY NOT a “starting caliber” goalie
Nov. 30, 2023 at 10:15 p.m.
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Like i said, “IF”
And how exactly is Allen ranked 30th?
Allen is ABSOLUTELY NOT a “starting caliber” goalie


His Goal saved above expected is 30th in the league. that makes him the 30th best goalie in the league. look further than GAA and Wins to evaluate goalies
Nov. 30, 2023 at 10:23 p.m.
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His Goal saved above expected is 30th in the league. that makes him the 30th best goalie in the league. look further than GAA and Wins to evaluate goalies


Going by one particular metric of your choosing doesn’t tell the story either

The Sabres don’t want Allen.
Habs fans have been trying to trade him to us since early in the summer, but it’s just not gonna happen
U might wanna accept that

ZERO CHANCE
Nov. 30, 2023 at 11:04 p.m.
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Quoting: AntiAnalytics
Going by one particular metric of your choosing doesn’t tell the story either

The Sabres don’t want Allen.
Habs fans have been trying to trade him to us since early in the summer, but it’s just not gonna happen
U might wanna accept that

ZERO CHANCE


Its the best metric for goalies. And the Sabres have no one better and theres no one better on the market
 
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